I knew this would happen. All the shock-value victims ~ you’re the reason shock-value works so well. The reasons that you’re all beside yourselves have been discussed ad nauseum. We won’t get into that. Plenty of other threads for that. But now your reactions have morphed themselves into one fucking big monster.
You’ve made such a brouhaha about it all. And what was the main reason I could see as your defense? “It’s not the boob I’m offended by; it’s the context. I didn’t expect it.”
Thanks to you, “The Jackson-Timberlake moment drew the biggest spike in audience reaction TiVo has ever measured.”
Yes, I’m blaming you. If you wouldn’t have made such a big deal about it, this wouldn’t have happened. But now you take the cake, my puritanical friends. You’ve scared the shit out of TV executives and advertisers. I guess you win. Proud of yourself? I wouldn’t be.
“Only days after the firestorm created when Janet Jackson exposed her breast during the Super Bowl, plans to air an episode of “ER” on NBC Thursday evening that includes a view of an elderly female patient’s bare breast are raising serious concerns among the network’s affiliates.” This wasn’t just any old episode. This was the first episode “ER” planned for Sweeps.
I certainly hope that you wouldn’t be shocked to see a bare breast in a hospital emergency room. I certainly hope that your young child will be asleep before “ER” airs. So then WHAT is the problem with a bare boob in this context? I certainly hope you’d agree that there is none.
So I suggest that every one of you who made this into a bigger story than it is ~ by kvetching about the violation you feel ~ take the energy you expend on bitching and use it to let TV executives know that you don’t want an Award Winning show like “ER” touched, for fear of offending you.
That’s what your reactions to sensationalism do.
Don’t reduce my television viewing down to Little House On The Prairie.
They’re boobs, people. Europeans are exposed to them on beaches every day, and so far, the European community hasn’t fallen into collapse or disrepair. People aren’t being afflicted with random plagues and sores, or stricken blind.
I’d even go so far as to say exposure to breasts is good for all Americans. Men, women, children, old, young, sick, healthy, rich, poor…
Boobs for ALL!
Now I know what my platform will be for the 2024 Presidency.
What’s wrong with that defense? But even worse than the context, IMO, is the fact that she was so desperate for record sales of her upcoming album that she thought this was a reasonable stunt. It shows how low celebrities will sink to sell themselves “Hey look at my boobie, buy my CD!”.
Believe me, I’m not easily shocked. I love HBO shows. But I think any questionable material should be on after 10:00 pm. (Won’t someone think of the children? ) That halftime show was live on the west coast at about 5:30 pm. I thought it was an inappropriate use of the halftime show to sell sex/records. If it was on after 10:00, I wouldn’t have batted an eye. I still would have thought she was pathetic, but I wouldn’t see how anyone could get upset about it.
Now, ER I don’t have a problem with. The context is fitting for a bare breast. I’m sure it’s not going to sexual. No problem.
I’m with the “it was innappropriate and rude and crass, but geez, people, it’s just a breast” crowd. It worked, right? Look at all the attention it’s getting.
Breasts in emergency rooms happen. Frequently. Get over it, people.
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That’s what irritates me. Everyone is lapping it up with a spoon. Look at this thread (as well as the others on this board), as an example. She got what she wanted.
I thought it was bad enough that she was lip-syncing! No child should have to see that!
We don’t go to the beach every day. Mainly because it’s fucking freezing.
When we do go to the beach, mainly in summer, we don’t see a lot of women with boobs bared. Most women wear a top. It was different 20 years ago, but we’re back to covering boobs again. )n fact, I think with the thong and minimal top stuff, Americans on the beach are exposed to more woman flesh than we are - not many women use that kind of swimwear around here.
The few titties that are exposed invariably belongs to ~50-60 y.o. German tourists, covered in oil and doing what they did 20 or 30 years ago. Let me assure you that the sight is not (sic!) titilating.
However, boobage on tv and in mvoies is not uncommon. So what? Who cares?
The whole half time show was inappropriate, rude and crass. I think the Dumb Ass of the Year award should go to the CBS executives that made the decision to have MTV cater their show.
Professional television executives should know that a significant percentage of cable subscribers use the parental block feature to prevent their children from watching MTV.
If you hire MTV to do your half time show, what would you expect but an MTV type show? They should have known that that’s a style that many TV viewers find objectionable.
To be fair, Gaspode, the quote doesn’t say that all Europeans are exposed to them on beaches every day. Just that [some] “Europeans are”.
Still, I think you have a fair point. Americans may be astounded to learn that European society is actually not that different to American society. Even though the television might be.
My point exactly. If you remove the mystique, you remove the titillation factor. Europeans act like it’s No Big Deal To See Them, and as a result, it becomes No Big Deal To See Them.
We, however, act like boobs are forbidden and risque, so they are. But I still don’t see how people are being harmed by being exposed to a naked breast.
Right on both points. What’s wrong with that defense? Nothing. I disagree with it, but if that’s your point of view, I’ll respect it. I think you’re cracked. But I realize it takes all kinds of people to make the world go 'round.
What I don’t respect is… and correct me if I’m wrong … It seems that the people who were SO OFFENDED by it are the same ones who won’t let it go. Office water cooler talk. Hanging clothes on the line while talking to your neighbour talk. Haven’t spoken with your friend in a week topic of conversation talk. When my friends called me, and brought it up, I said something to the effect of:
“Oh, please. I wish they’d get over it. How fucking crazy are we that we eat supper while watching the evening news. We see the carnage of a suicide bombing in Israel; we hear that ricin is being sent to government buildings; we hear of how many homeless people are living on the streets at -40 degrees… THAT we let our kids see, no problem. But a FLASH of a boob is a big thing. Most people who saw it weren’t even sure of what they saw. You think a kid is scarred? It was a split second.”
Funny how when I respond as such, they drop the topic and ask me how my week was. I kill their momentum. They will reserve their kvetching for someone who can get as worked up about it as they are, and possibly give them more angles to get worked up about.
Ok, you didn’t approve. I did. Wasn’t classy for the Super Bowl, I admit. Not nice to show a guy rip off a woman’s top to reveal her boob, I admit. But damn that’s sexy, in the context that they were grinding and teasing each other before this happened. They know as well as I do that I’d LOVE my lover to just RIP off my clothes and show me how much he wants me. Mmmm … that’s nice. THAT is why they did it. They know it appeals to SOME of us. If they thought they’d disgust MOST of us, they wouldn’t have done it.
Oh well, it’s over. Vive la difference. But PHONING THE POLICE? Please tell me they used the local police telephone number. Please tell me they didn’t jam up ‘911’. Bloody hell, mate. Get the fuck over it. It’s not the first time, not the last time, that you’ll be seeing something like this.
I’ll give you an example: The Britney/Madonna French Kiss. Well, ooh-la-fucking-la. But of course… What happened? Ohh! Girl kissing girl! Wow! Bad! Naughty! So what happened? At a Montreal high school, two girls figured out that it was a “captivating” thing to do. So they set up a “show”. They charged boys $5 each for tickets. And they did a French Kiss thing ala Britney/Madonna. Long story short, the boys weren’t punished. The girls were “highly advised” to change schools.
I venture to say, if The Kiss wouldn’t have gotten the attention it did, that wouldn’t have happened. That’s why Britney, Madonna and Janet do it. Don’t you see? How much money have these three pulled in since the beggining of their careers? They certainly don’t have the BEST voices in the industry. But they know how to go in and grab you by the balls. And you let them do it EVERY time.
Cripes, I was 12 years old and studied Madonna’s top selling shocker video “Like a Virgin”. I figured out damn fast that acting like a virgin with a bed-head hairdo (aka someone just fucked my brains out all night) was naughty therefore sexy. And you can be damned sure I used it. All I was missing was the gondolier. If it wasn’t sensationalized, I wouldn’t have done it.
Usually, I would thank you for being such puritans. I admit, I love the shock-value entertainment that you guys indirectly provide. But when it gets to the point that my ‘clean’ entertainment (like ‘ER’) will suffer from such tight-asses, now we have a problem.
Let me get this straight. You respect my point of view, yet you think I’m cracked?
From the “Duh” files.
This was my “cracked” reason for not liking the stunt.
Again, I wasn’t offended by the boob, just the crassness of the promotion of her album. It’s one thing to use your body for selling CDs (Britney, Christina), but it’s another thing to show us your jugs. It’s pathetic, not offensive.
My goodness, you boobiemeisters are whipping yourselves into a right frenzy about your “rights” aren’t you.
Do please provide supporting documentation that people who disagreed with the boobage are, in your words “morphing into a monster” or as in other posters words “frightened and/or injured” by the boob.
Is it a world shaking event, like say The War? Um. no, of course not. And I haven’t seen anyone acting like it is either. Just people PRETENDING like that’s what people are acting like.
Getting the wrong thing served to you at a restaurant isn’t worldshaking news along the lines of (da da DAAAA) “the WAR” either, but if it happened to you, you’d still take steps to have it corrected.
An event happened. People disagreed with it, and are taking steps to correct whatever it was that went wrong, be that changing the networks to be MORE free and easy with boobs, or making sure that warnings are applied and adhered to, who knows.
Seems to me that the ones screaming “OH MY GOD the SKY is falling” are those who are blowing the viewers negative reactions so ridiculously out of proportion to what they’ve really, for the most part, said and done.
Do I think the hundred people who called the Houston police are silly beyond silly? Oh hell yes. But that’s not due to this having “morphed into a monster”.
Some people are always going to way overexaggerate and over react to things (kindof like the way the “hell it’s only a boobie” camp is doing over the whole thing) about things.
Sheesh, it was in the news for a few days, there MIGHT be an investigation and possibly some fines. People expressed an opinion on it. And the fact that it’s different than yours makes them “fanatical puritans” because?
Sheeesh, some of y’all need to switch to decaf, it’s highly unlikely that anyone will be stripped of their precious rights to view scantily dressed women, or forced to watch “Blues Clues” on prime time anytime soon.
This being the land of 13 year old boy humor and fratboy sleaze, it’s more likely it will go the other way.
My father lives in Nice, and as of 6 months ago when I was there for a few weeks, there were plenty of topless people, old and young. Same case in Italy.
Right. I think you’re cracked. But I respect your right to be cracked.
Again, yup. Not enough to get wound up about. Funny how you didn’t quote me on the rest of that line of thinking.
Funny how every topic I bring up in the BBQ pit gets deflected. Psychologists have a word for that. OH YEAH! It’s Deflection. When, Canvas Shoes, did you hear me yell about my rights? Maybe it’s your conscience that knows that rights are in danger of being stepped on. ‘ER’ could change it’s planned Sweeps night show, so as not to offend you. Yeah, come to think of it, you’re whining is infringing on my entertainment. I certainly never mentioned rights.
As for providing information that people who disagreed with the boobage are “morphing into a monster”, I think that the Google and Tivo bits that have been cited in my OP cover that. You might want to reread, CanvasShoes. As for “frightened and/or injured”, I don’t believe I’ve ever mentioned that. Maybe you find it easier to make your point if you quote general, legitimate posts that have proven you wrong in another thread. However, it’s not a one size fit all topic. You actually have to THINK to comprehend this.
We don’t need regurgitation here.
Perhaps you’re confusing my OP with others. No worries. Quite expected with your type. Take The Topic And Run. You didn’t bother reading, did you? I mean, past skimming, you didn’t right?
You can bet your bottom dollar I’d bitch. But you can bet your mother’s bottom dollar that I wouldn’t STILL be complaining 3 days later. It wouldn’t be a topic of conversation past Monday morning, I guarantee. GET THE FUCK OVER IT. Shit, I think I’d forget about it as soon as I left a tip.
WELL FUCK ME! AIN’T THAT THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK! Do you think shows like “ER” are facing re-writing/major editing is because of the MASSIVE amount of people who say the boobage didn’t bother them? Are you off your fucking nut, buddy?
Some people have small lives. Some people need to believe they are righteous. Some people need others to believe they’re good upstanding citizens. YOUR INSECURITIES ARE NOT MY FUCKING PROBLEM!
And ANYONE suggesting I need to switch to decaf provides me with many moments of laughter. The world is definitely fucked. And you’re proof of it.
I thought the ER episode with the bare-breasted elderly woman aired last week. In fact, I asked about how they got away with it in Cafe Society.
This is all a tempest in a teapot. The networks are reacting to the brouhaha, but I think there will always be a place for nudity in context (Schindler’s List, documentaries about breast cancer.)
The Boobie Bowl was unplanned and CBS was not given the opportunity to warn the viewers.
I have no problem with CBS or MTV putting in place policies to make sure this doesn’t happen again. I have no problem with the NFL and Pepsi putting pressure on the networks to behave.
I have a big problem with the gov’t, in the form of the FCC, swaggering in like a big-bellied sheriff. Let the marketplace sort it out. Believe me, CBS is sweating more that big sponsors are unhappy than that the FCC might be a bit miffed.
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My goodness, you boobiemeisters are whipping yourselves into a right frenzy about your “rights” aren’t you.
I have no idea, since I haven’t “deflected” any of your other topics. This is the first topic I’ve seen you post on.
'Rights" referring to all the whining going on about the discussion of this subject, NOT just you, hence my “you boobmeisters” comment, NOT you “Cheekymonkey…”.
I did check that link, it showed that it was the most researched item in Lycos. What it did NOT show was that the people doing the researches were in fact “morphing into monsters” or trying to reduce the public’s viewing choices to Little House on the Prairie
Again, hence my “you boobmeistERS” comment. Your thread just happens to contain many of the sentiments.
Exactly, which is why I didn’t include quotes from the original thread.
Nope. I read each and every “point” you tried to make. You’re acting as if, because people disagreed with THIS particular event, that it’s somehow going to effect your viewing, to the exaggerated whine of “Please don’t make me watch Little house” (paraphrased), also, your very silly and excited complaint in the other thread to the point where you just HAD to continue your whining, about THEIR whining even further.
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Getting the wrong thing served to you at a restaurant isn’t worldshaking news along the lines of (da da DAAAA) “the WAR” either, but if it happened to you, you’d still take steps to have it corrected.
Who’s complaining? What I see the media doing is simply covering the story, what’s left of it. As far as the other thread? Again, the same as any other thread in which people disagree. People have an argument, they post support of their argument, side B answers and comments, and Side A answers their comments and answers.
Again, being as it’s a boob, it’s slightly more interesting than other threads like this, but is not continuing in a manner any different from any other topic. As far as other citizens, other than the Pit debate “complaining”…Where? Again, all I’ve seen is continued coverage. Not from the other regular joes either, just from the networks. So who exactly is “complaining” three days later?
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Seems to me that the ones screaming “OH MY GOD the SKY is falling” are those who are blowing the viewers negative reactions so ridiculously out of proportion to what they’ve really, for the most part, said and done.
I’m not a “buddy”. I’m a buddette. I seriously doubt that any citizens are aware that there even WAS a “sweeps week” boob shot in the ER episode, so NO, it’s not the alleged "massive amount of people complaining, it’s just CBS doing damage control. That’s THEIR call, not some preemptive strike by the public.
My “insecurities”? In what way? I just think it’s funny that there are so many people throwing JUST as big a fit over people who have different viewpoint from them, as the people those same people do themselves.
My take on the whole Janet thing was that I was disgusted that the dancing was so bad. As a dancer, and dance instructor, I’ve come to expect a certain level of quality as far as the dancing. But she sucked.
Well, good, I’m so glad that you CAN laugh, it sure didn’t seem so from some of your overexcited posts.
And I’m proof of it huh? Oh, sweetie, meet me IRL and then say that. People CAN have beliefs in that one area that are different from yours, and still be fun and wild people.
is **CheekyMonkey613 ** overreacting again? Just wait until she demands the right to bulldoze over everyone who disagrees that her TV “rights” will be taken away…
Hang on a mo’, some jerk in an office at TiVo knows what you record when you record it? Fuck that; they’ll never sell me one of those things.
Regarding the ever-popular JJ outrage, I must confess that a) IMO the whole halftime show was a giant steaming pile of fly-ridden crap, as it is at most Super Bowls, and b) I was most definitely not sitting on my sofa thinking “You know what would really make this great? How about if Janet shows her tits!” In fact the utter lameness of the show was so intense that I retired to the kitchen to heat up some soup, and thus entirely missed the Boob Seen Round the World.
Nevertheless, there does seem to be some sort of weird double standard going on here. Nobody seemed to get up in arms very much about the advert in which a horse farts in someone’s face, or the lengthy and earnest discussions of erectile dysfunction (highlight: “If erection lasts longer than four hours, see a doctor immediately”).
Considering the ridiculously overblown festival of lowest-common-denominator crassness that is the Super Bowl every fucking year, one second of bare boob was a mere drop in a very large bucket.
) That halftime show was live on the west coast at about 5:30 pm. I thought it was an inappropriate use of the halftime show to sell sex/records. If it was on after 10:00, I wouldn’t have batted an eye. I still would have thought she was pathetic, but I wouldn’t see how anyone could get upset about it.