Don't you worry your pretty little head! Dating and professional expertise

Three times in the past year or so, I’ve had three separate men pull this stunt on me. I’m well aware that not all men do this. But I’m wondering why some do, as it seems to be about the stupidest possible thing to try. I want to know why any sane individual would deliberately be such a bonehead as to criticize a woman, as if they knew better, in the woman’s area of technical expertise, when they DON’T know better.

I’m a computer tech. I don’t know EVERYTHING about computers, far from it, but I do know a heck of a lot, because it’s my job. What I don’t understand is when some guy that I’m chatting up, because I think he’s cute, and he seems to be smart (so far), and he’s otherwise attractive to me and I might like to date him, tries this little stunt: he TELLS me “just how it is” with computers. He’ll do this regardless of having any familiarity with computers of his own; the last perpetrator was a gunsmith who I had helped to install several games on his computer, because he couldn’t figure out how to unzip them. I’m not saying that people who don’t dig computers tick me off–far from it! They’re my job security. I like helping people who like being helped, too. But when he gives me some specious explanation of how hardware X just can’t work (when I’m running it at home) or starts blaming his software when it’s a user error, and saying that he “just knows” it was engineered to screw up his world…it really ticks me off, and blows any chances of ever dating this person.

The only possible explanations I can come up with are: 1. He might be testing to see if I’ll tolerate outrageous behavior from someone I’m attracted to. (I’d beleive it, but he acted so hurt when I called his bluff.) 2. He might actually think that he knows better than a “chick” about her professional field, because all he knows about that field is that some techs sound really pompous and smartalecky, and he can do that, who needs knowledge? (I hope not. I hope not. Please, tell me it’s not so.) 3. He thinks that because I’m good at this techy stuff, his technical ignorance will shine out like a light and I’ll be compelled to stay with him to fix that (Might work, if I weren’t already professionally aware of how difficult it is to teach someone who “knows it all already.” Back to #2 on that).

So…am I doomed to date only other geeks? Are there any men out there who are comfortable enough with a competent woman that they don’t want to “impress” her? Will I ever have a conversation with an interesting non-geek guy that doesn’t end with me walking away thinking “Don’t let him see the choking motions”?

Corr

…and relax!

I may be wrong, but I don’t think it is a dating thing or even an ‘undervaluing a woman tech’ thing.

Many men like to appear knowledgeable, so they’re going to spout some WAG why their software/hardware doesn’t work. They will do this to anyone, not just their ‘techie’ dates. I agree that it is a dumb course of action if your date knows anything about computers though.

My recommendation is to not take it personally.

Maybe they think that if they don’t sound smart about computers you won’t be interested in them. So they make something up that sounds reasonable… but that you know is pure BS. Guys do this all the time in order to not look stupid in front of other guys (yes I see the irony). And they assume that since you are a women that you probably aren’t very expert at computers (statistically they would be making a pretty good bet) but in this case are dead wrong. I wouldn’t treat it as a fatal character flaw… or else you’ll never find anyone!

Yep.

I agree with CheapBastid.

That same guy would probably try to BS a male computer
geek, or auto mechanic, or anybody.

I think we’ve all known people like this.

I wouldn’t take it personally. However, I wouldn’t probably
date anyone like that either.

Well, your #2 was closer to the answer.

I had to deal with the same situation, from the other side of the divide. I’m an engineer, she was a IS manager for a small company.

I realized that it was my male ego that wasn’t allowing me to admit that this other person had more computer proficiency than I did. The fact that it was a woman, and a date, didn’t bother my ego more, but it made the situation more complex. Fortunately I quickly noticed what I was doing and quit trying to compete with her on the subject.

After that, I noticed that it’s not just a male-female thing. Males do it amongst themselves… listen to a group of men talk about cars or computers or even sports. Each one is trying to demonstrate that he knows more about the subject than the others.

So it’s not personal. It’s not even chauvanism. It’s just normal male chest-pounding behaviour. If you don’t like it, well… keep looking, and good luck. :slight_smile:

Oh, and before you get any ideas, SDMB is NOT the place to be looking for men who don’t care about proving they know more than you! :smiley:

This is really more of an IMHO thing. But I’ll move it over there for you, so don’t even worry…

Aw, crap. I can’t say it.

I don’t know if it’s a male vs. female thing or an individual male vs. the rest of the world thing, but I too have found that it’s all but impossible to tell a man anything about computers.

I’m a temp, so I’ve worked at a lot of different offices. I’m not a computer genius or anything (I have no formal computer training at all), but I can handle many basic problems. I cannot tell you how many times I’ve been asked to stand aside and let the MAN handle things. I have long since given up saying anything like “I think the problem is X, and doing Y would probably fix it”. It’s like he doesn’t even hear me. I usually end up just letting the guy putz around until he manages to figure things out on his own; it spares his ego, and I get paid whether I’m really working or not.

My husband has pointed out that many women do the exact same thing with babies. A guy with a Ph.D in early child development can be holding his own child beneath a framed copy of his degree and if it starts fussing some women will start telling him what he should be doing, or they will just take the baby and start cooing at it. And because this pattern often starts in adolecence, many men don’t hav any oppurtunity (let alone motive) to learn how to deal with babies.

I odn’t know what the signifigance of this is, except to point out that it definitly goes both ways and is something we all have to guard against, lest we become guilty ourselves.

<<I agree that it is a dumb course of action if your date knows anything about computers though. >> Yeah, that’s what got me…as in, wouldn’t they be smart enough to see that I’d catch them BSing?

<<Oh, and before you get any ideas, SDMB is NOT the place to be looking for men who don’t care about proving they know more than you! >>

If they happen to be right, I’m all for it. (Intellectualism! Rrrowr!) And if someone’s expertise happens to be in another field…I can look really impressed all day long! I love hearing about what someone else does, and I’ve noticed if I listen attentively I learn things myself.

<<Fortunately I quickly noticed what I was doing and quit trying to compete with her on the subject. >> Yeah, I could deal with that. Nice to know there’s guys out there whose manhood doesn’t depend on outsmarting the chick. Probably doesn’t help that I have a sweet as sugar Southern girl voice…

Corr, who could play dumb broad SO well, but doesn’t

My take is that it largely has to do with Pride. That, plus there are some roles that men and women each believe they’re expected to play, as if certain bits of knowledge were passed out when gender was assigned. As Manda JO said, women take it as a point of pride that they know how to care for young children better than men; men don’t like to admit they’re lost, that they’re hopeless with cars, that they are mystified by computers. So there’s a tendency for everybody to fake their way into those roles. And usually, nobody’s the wiser.

On the other hand, as a wise, dirty, hairy man said: “A man’s got to know his limitations.” For that guy not to know when to stop faking that he knows something about computers after you called his bluff… that’s pathological.

Wow. Competence and brains: the ultimate sexual attractants…

[sup]…ogles Corr slyly…[/sup]

I know I must be missing the point somewhere but here is what I got from your OP. That a man, knowing what you do a living and making some ignorant or erroneous statement about hardware or software PC configuration issues or otherwise pretending to greater knowledge than he actually has, is dissing you in some covert or overt fashion.

Huh? Welcome to Earth starwoman! It’s part of a normal man’s behavioral job description to be presumptiously wrong about complex technical issues from cars to computers to sound systems etc., especially when trying to impress women. If you’re going to make your potential dates negotiate the minefields you have laced with these “you’re dissing me” eggshells then you’d better date shy, sensitive new age luddites so your delicate sensibilities won’t be offended when a man makes a posturing mis-step.

Intelligent men want intelligent woman with some degree of compassion, understanding and forgiveness about their need to occasionally seem informed or in control even if they really aren’t, not hyper-sensitive, hair trigger, emotionally brittle, injustice collecting princesses.

But wait maybe you’re right! It is all about you! Every ignorant gripe about a PC is a diabolical and dis-respectful test of your expertise.

Here’s a clue. Get over yourself.

<<Intelligent men want intelligent women with some degree of compassion, understanding and forgiveness about their need to occasionally seem informed or in control even if they really aren’t>>

Yeah, I think you’re right, astro, I didn’t exactly make my point very well in the OP. It wasn’t just your reading. I’m talking about conversations like the following:

Him: So are you worried about Code Red?
Me: Well, no, since that worm won’t affect people with Windows 98, which I have.
Him: Well, if you get it, it’ll destroy lots of stuff.
Me: Well, I’m not worried about malicious programs, really. I don’t store any personal information on my computer, and I always have everything backed up.
Him: You might want to unplug everything just in case. Did you unplug your printer?
Me: No, because it won’t affect me.
Him: No, that’s not it, you have to…[description of long, involved unplugging procedure]

It’s not so much the being wrong…like I’m not wrong five times a day! (And that’s just at work. Ask me about my cooking. ) It’s the total refusal to listen. If someone ever asked me “Will unplugging your computer temporarily keep you from getting viruses?” I sure wouldn’t laugh at them. That question takes a lot of guts to ask and deserves a serious answer.

And yup, you’re right, I’m sure it’s not just me. I just can’t decide (which is why I’m still fuming, I’m still thinking about it) whether one could actually shock one of these folks out of their rut and get them to try a different tactic for their ego boosting. I just can’t decide whether “being presumptuously wrong” is actually out and out lying or not.

If anyone would like to amateur-shrink this and decide whether I’m just ticked at these guys for not being smarter than me, go right ahead.

Corr
terrible cook and creator of Sheetloaf, Vegetable Gloop, Flung Rice, and Bird in a Bucket

astro, shouldn’t the men who absolutely have to cram their perceived superiority down Corvvin’s throat be the ones getting over themselves?

Corrvin, sweetie pie…

I think the real reason you’re upset by this sort of treatment is your frustration at being so alone. Maybe if you had someone you could talk to, like a husband, you’d feel better? And you could productively use this energy you’re wasting being all upset over nothing by doing housework and raising children.

Maybe you’re all upset like this because it’s your time of month? Why don’t you see if there’s a shoe sale somewhere. That always makes women feel better.

Well, that’s it. This calls for a new pair of POINTYBOOTS!

Pumby-wumpkin, you’re in for it now.

Corr

Muffie wuffie,

Maybe the thigh high leather ones?

I’ve decided that astro may be right, in part. I don’t need to get over me…just over the idea that I have the right to be upset at other people’s silliness. Or I need to buy stock in Zantac.

Ranger, precious pie, please don’t make me have to hurt you in front of the nice people. I know you’re kidding. (I’m just placating my Angry Inner Feminist with a couple of chocolate cookies.)

Corr

Just look at the pomposity as an early warning system – saves you having to waste a few dates before finding out.