In this case satire has been rendered plausible by truth strange enough to be fiction.
At least they did not allow Dorner to flourish - they fired him.
I don’t think the Dorner firing is any indication of racism on the part of the LAPD - that’s just something Dorner tried to use to prevent getting canned. Which is doubly unfortunate - it is a lot easier to discount accusations of racism in general after ones made by a psycho like Dorner are debunked. It’s like the firefighters planting a noose and blaming it on white racists. There’s only so many cries of “Wolf” one can take seriously, and I would prefer to save my outrage for real instances.
Serious question - LA is a big place, and the LAPD is a large department. How do they compare to the police in other, comparable cities in the US?
Regards,
Shodan
They only fired Dorner as he was a whistleblower.
And, that’s the problem with the LAPD. Not that it’s so racist or violent, but that they have a culture of the “thin blue line” and “no snitches” so that a bad, trigger happy racist is allowed to stay in, because ratting him out will get you fired or persecuted.
So, no, they didn’t fire Dorner because he was black, they fired him because he dared to be a whistleblower and rat out his supervisor who liked to kick people when they were down.
That’s not all clear at this point.
If you consider Donner a hero, would you consider the terroists who flew planes into buildins heros as well? Both were fighting against powers larger than themselves, both thought they had been wronged by said powers, and both had no problem dying for their beliefs.
Is Donner a hero because he’s fighting against the LAPD? Isn’t the LAPD made up of Americans… and didn’t want to kill them all? If some radical muslim flew a plane into the LAPD building would he have been your hero instead of Donner?
Bottom line is Donne is scum as is anyone who takes an innocent life to promote a point of view.
Not as far as I can tell. If I recall the circumstances of his firing correctly, Dorner had complained earlier about one of his fellow officers using the term “n*gger”, and got them suspended. (Those were the ones Dorner says in his manifesto that he should have shot.)
Then Dorner was (rightly) afraid his supervising officer was going to write his probationary report as unsatisfactory and get him (Dorner) fired. Sure enough, that’s what happened. Dorner then lodged a complaint that his supervisor had kicked a mentally ill homeless guy in the face after the homeless guy had been Tasered and cuffed.
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[li]The alleged kicks had happened two weeks earlier, and thus the timing was a little suspicious.[/li][li]Three objective witnesses said it didn’t happen.[/li][li]The homeless guy and his father said it did happen, but when questioned separately, their accounts of the incident did not jibe.[/li][/ul]So they fired Dorner, not for being a whistleblower, but for filing false complaints to try to keep from getting fired. Note also that Dorner’s firing was upheld on appeal. I thought that was why Dorner shot one of the civilians he shot - she was the daughter of his lawyer.
Read his manifesto - Dorner had it in for Asians and lesbians as well.
That’s not to say there aren’t any racists on the LAPD, or that any of their subsequent fuckups are justified. Only that Dorner is not much of a poster child for anti-racism.
Regards,
Shodan
I did, and no he didn’t.
We have utterly no reason to believe that and no evidence for it other than Dorner’s word.
Virtual every spree killer who’s gone on a workplace rampage has done so after claiming they were unjustly fired.
I don’t remember anyone taking their claims seriously and I see no reason to take Dorner’s claims seriously.
I personally have a difficult time taking someone seriously who claims he’s fighting against racism who’s first acts are to murder an Asian-American woman and her African-American fiancée.
I’m not reading the manifesto, so I can’t comment on that or not. But I will point out that his killing spree began with the murder of Monica Quan, who was Asian. And just to throw a little dirt at this jerk, I’ll point out that he didn’t kill a single member of the LAPD.
He killed her because she was the daughter of someone he thought had wronged him, not because she was Asian. He also killed a black guy. Did he have it in for black people too?
Murderer, fired and fried. It is confirmed he is dead.
Dorner is a madman, the LA cops are trigger-happy idiots and fools. I would have said the LA cops who shot up the Asian women thinking they were Dorner were trigger happy idiots and fools, but since they also shot up a Dave Brubeck tribute van, I’d have to say there’s a LOT of trigger happy idiots and fools in the LA police department. They should all have their bullets taken away for a while. The ones who did the shooting up should be vigorously prosecuted, their guns and badges taken, and then sued within an inch of their lives. They are a shameful blot on the law enforcement profession in general and the LA police in particular.
And I can’t help but think that all this might NOT have happened if Dorner’s mentor had been able to restrain herself from kicking a cuffed guy on the ground in the head.
What’s so difficult here?
And someone who thinks he got screwed over by an Asian guy - and then made that guy his biggest target - might have a problem with Asians.
No, but it shows he wasn’t very good at that killing racist white LA cops thing.
The Brubeck angle is a satire. The Daily Currant is giving The Onion a run for its money:
Yeah, he might, but he also might just have an issue with that one guy. It’s a bit of a leap to suggest that his beef with someone suggests he may have one with that person’s entire racial group, when he’s stated nothing that would suggest that. He makes pretty clear in his manifesto who he has a problem with and why, and he’s not racist against Asians and harbors no hatred for lesbians. In fact, toward the end when he got into his long shout out section, he goes on about how he admires Ellen Degeneres for making a lot of people open their eyes to accepting other people’s sexual orientations, gives a big F U to Prop 8 supporters, calling them “hypocritical pieces of shit,” and lists Margaret Cho as one of his favorite women in the world. He had a beef with that one guy, not all Asians. And if he did, he made no mention of his racism (or homophobia) anywhere in his manifesto.
[QUOTE=Chris Dorner]
Those lesbian officers in supervising positions who go to work, day in day out, with the sole intent of attempting to prove your misandrist authority (not feminism) to degrade male officers. You are a high value target.
Those Asian officers who stand by and observe everything I previously mentioned other officers participate in on a daily basis but you say nothing, stand for nothing and protect nothing. Why? Because of your usual saying, ” I……don’t like conflict”. You are a high value target as well.
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Cite.
Saying a group is a high value target, and then going out and killing one of them, does not strike me as an expression of high esteem. YMMV.
Regards,
Shodan
Why don’t you try quoting the whole thing? He had a problem with the overall culture of racism within the force, and expressed disgust with racist white cops and minorities who were complicit in the whole affair because they didn’t want to make waves, including black people. This is what he said in its entirety.
[QUOTE=Officer Crazy]
I am here to change and make policy. The culture of LAPD versus the community and honest/good officers needs to and will change. I am here to correct and calibrate your morale compasses to true north.
Those Caucasian officers who join South Bureau divisions (77th,SW,SE, an Harbor) with the sole intent to victimize minorities who are uneducated, and unaware of criminal law, civil law, and civil rights. You prefer the South bureau because a use of force/deadly force is likely and the individual you use UOF on will likely not report it. You are a high value target.
Those Black officers in supervisory ranks and pay grades who stay in south bureau (even though you live in the valley or OC) for the sole intent of getting retribution toward subordinate caucasians officers for the pain and hostile work environment their elders inflicted on you as probationers (P-1′s) and novice P-2′s. You are a high value target. You perpetuated the cycle of racism in the department as well. You breed a new generation of bigoted caucasian officer when you belittle them and treat them unfairly.
Those Hispanic officers who victimize their own ethnicity because they are new immigrants to this country and are unaware of their civil rights. You call them wetbacks to their face and demean them in front of fellow officers of different ethnicities so that you will receive some sort of acceptance from your colleagues. I’m not impressed. Most likely, your parents or grandparents were immigrants at one time, but you have forgotten that. You are a high value target.
Those lesbian officers in supervising positions who go to work, day in day out, with the sole intent of attempting to prove your misandrist authority (not feminism) to degrade male officers. You are a high value target.
Those Asian officers who stand by and observe everything I previously mentioned other officers participate in on a daily basis but you say nothing, stand for nothing and protect nothing. Why? Because of your usual saying, ” I……don’t like conflict”. You are a high value target as well.
Those of you who “go along to get along” have no backbone and destroy the foundation of courage. You are the enablers of those who are guilty of misconduct. You are just as guilty as those who break the code of ethics and oath you swore.
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So stop cherry picking. He was clearly calling out everyone who stood by while the force ran amok with racist dickheads. Also, if you’d bother to read the rest, instead of snipping out five or six highly out of context sentences, you’d know he was one lousy racist homophobe considering his entire rant was pretty firmly anti-racist and anti-homophobia.
Then why did he go out and kill people who were Asian, but were not cops?
Regards,
Shodan
How much of an anti-racist anti-homophobe can you be when you lump groups of people together based on their race or sexuality like that? Nevermind that he was announcing he was going to kill them all. But I guess if you say you’re going to murder people in every racial group the problem isn’t that you’re a racist or homophone - it’s that you’re a sociopath who believes everyone else is inferior and deserves to die, and you just lump them into racial or sexual categories because that’s all you notice about them.
You have got to be kidding me. This is the weakest argument I have ever seen on the internet. He killed innocent people because he was an asshole. Why do you think that one of the victims being Asian means he had it out for Asian people? He killed a black guy (who was not a cop) and some white guys as well. Take a look at his list of victims and tell me it’s in any sort of anti-Asian rage. He killed that poor girl because her dad pissed him off.
This is what he said of white officers: You are a high value target.
This is what he said of black officers: You are a high value target.
This is what he said of Latino officers: You are a high value target.
This is what he said of Asian officers: You are a high value target as well.
This is what he said of lesbian officers: You are a high value target.
He is calling out everyone who he felt stood by and did nothing about the state of affairs within the LAPD. His manifesto gives zero evidence that he has anything against Asians in particular (or lesbians, like you claim) and actually gives the exact opposite impression. It’s clear that you didn’t read it, but if you want me to, I can give you a loose summary of what he said and provide direct quotes, as lengthy as necessary, that make it pretty clear that the dude was not racist against Asians and had no problems of any kind with lesbians. The guy was straight up nuts – this much we can agree on – but some kind of Asian-hating queer-basher he was not.