I thought you said you read his manifesto…
I would like the 5 min edit window extended, please! But only for me. Anyway, M, what was quoted above was just a small segment of him being mad that minorities stood by and watched while racist horse shit went on inside the force. I don’t read that and see “I’m going to kill all races because of their race” and I hope you don’t either. Also, later on, after he details cops kicking people in their heads, the LAPD’s retaliation culture against whistle-blowers, and the racism that runs free, he goes on to tell us about his general philosophies on life, and the whole thing gives a pretty clear impression that he’s not racist or homophobic. He’s crazy and violent, had a perpetual chip on his shoulder, but doesn’t hate anyone due to their race or sexual orientation.
Ha ha, right! Hey Shodan, if you ever want to read it, here’s the whole thing, unedited, no names redacted. Enjoy.
I already linked to it.
No, I’m quite serious.
He says he wants to kill Asian officers who don’t report racism. Then he goes out and kills people who aren’t officers, one of whom is the daughter of his lawyer, who helped in his unsuccessful fight against (in his case, imaginary) racism.
But you don’t feel this means he has anything against them. He just kills them.
Uh, ok.
Regards,
Shodan
He says this about every single race. He then killed several people of varying races, and you take away from this that he had some racist hatred boner for Asians despite the races of his victims, despite his stated animosity for all people of all races who let racism slide, and how clearly throughout his manifesto he proclaims both love and hatred for many, many people of all races. I don’t even know why I’m bothering to engage your horse shit considering you have never made an honest argument even once.
But he only seems to have killed Asians and whites.
If he only hated Asians who didn’t fight against racism. why did he kill his lawyer’s daughter?
I tend to believe what people say, if they show by their actions that they mean it. He says he only hates Asians who don’t fight against racism. Then he shoots Asians and whites who have nothing to do with the fight against racism.
ISTM that shooting someone is a useful shorthand for “I hate you”. If you claim you hate a group who has characteristic X, and then kill members of that group who do not have characteristic X, that tends to show that it isn’t characteristic X that is bothering you.
Regards,
Shodan
And a black guy. Other than that, this statement is accurate.
That makes sense to me. Good luck with that edit window thing. 
The first one was by LAPD officers guarding someone’s home. The second one was by Torrance PD officers who were responding to that.
I grew up in Los Angeles, the LAPD has always been racist, that still gives no one the right to start murdering people.
Dorner’s rage was such that he had to kill someone. His mental capacity was too low to carry out a really effective revenge strategy.
The complex reasoning of whom to kill (and how to kill) to effect a strategy that would actually hurt the LAPD, was beyond his mental capacity. He just killed the first soft targets even peripherally related to his rage.
A more intelligent man could have utilized all his training to terrorize the LAPD itself for months, with very specific targets.
This is a borderline personality with borderline mental function who was in a rage. Overall, his approach was pretty lame, compared to what it could have been had he been more intelligent.
I don’t think he was any kind of mental midget, as Chief Pedant seems to be asserting. After all, he did manage to become a Naval officer. On the other hand, Chief is certainly correct in his appraisal of the killer’s rage is pretty spot-on.
Chief pedant,
Did a doctor diagnose him? I hadn’t heard this…(obviously there was something wrong but I hadn’t heard he had a diagnosis)
Thanks for the correction.
I don’t know the requirements for becoming an officer in the Navy.
His manifesto does not suggest an ability to string thoughts together effectively, create a cogent argument, or present a coherent case. It’s difficult to wade through it and even figure out what his specific beef is. There are numerous misspelled words and the syntax often leaves a great deal to be desired.
His particular choice of actions to pursue what was apparently his main goal–punish the LAPD–does not suggest the ability to do any complex processing.
It’s a good thing he wasn’t a brighter candle. A trained individual willing to asymmetrically pursue a campaign of violence could wreak a great deal of havoc. This was just a sort of stupid guy venting his rage blindly.
With what?
Right. His insane rage included just about every classifiable group, and regardless of his self-conviction that he actually supports those populations and merely hates the “traitors” among them, he struck whoever he got a good shot at. *Crazy *and violent, he was not self-consistent.
His actions after going off the edge ( including the failed attempt to steal a boat, multiple wrecking of getaway vehicles, leaving an big easily monitored trail on surveillance) do paint a picture of someone who had not thought out straight about planning his one-man “asymmetric war”(*) nor was thinking straight about the decisions *during * his murder spree.
(* he was fired from the LAPD in 2008 and his appeal dismissed in 2010, he had years to plot had he wanted to seriously)
Now, “not thinking straight” does not necessarily mean intellectually disabled in the aspect of learning capacity, but the magnitude of his actions may lead a lay observer to* suspect *some latent psychoemotional disorder, that the crazy and violent was there before but at some point whatever was containing it failed. It could be he was already in a delusional spiral a while back, seeing himself all along as leading a righteous reforming crusade, wherein the various “downtrodden” groups MUST side with him against the oppressive establishment hierarchy… and they didn’t.
You can be *for a while *a “satisfactory” junior military officer (or policeman) with “average” learning ability and mediocre or even lousy tactical or strategic thinking as long as you follow The Book and don’t run into situations where it won’t help, and yet have Emotional Intelligence issues that do not come out to bite you if you manage to dodge situations that call upon EI. Then even a normal mind may get fogged up, never mind one with a major malfunction. Just wildly speculating out of my hindparts here, it may be that in the rigidly-structured world of his military specialty he was able to maintain it all channeled, but as a policeman in a place like LA he had to be ready to navigate a heap of nasty organizational and social politics on an everyday basis, and deal with situations you can’t just solve by destroying the adversary.
Chief pedant ,
you stated above that Dorner had a personality disorder, hence my question if a doctor had diagnosed him with such, …? (I’m not questioning there was something wrong but there are a myriad of psychiatric illnesses out there that could possibly account for his behavior)
Ah…sorry.
I think almost anyone would say he probably had a personality disorder, but if you are talking about a formal diagnosis such as a borderline personality (itself sort of a broadly defined thing), then no; I am not aware of any such formal diagnosis.
An interview with a prior girlfriend was suggestive to me that he had a little something going on as a baseline personality…
This seems to be a somewhat unfortunate occurrence, laypeople attempting to make diagnosis of some well known person, which tends to help spread misinformation and also stigma…as tempting as it may be, I wish people would recognize their inability to do this. If I recall correctly the young kid who shot the children at sandy hook was autistic. There are so many myriad of things,…for example bipolar mania can cause some with the illness to have violent rages, also those who are having a psychotic break can sometimes retain the ability to plan things but may commit violence, aka Andrea Yates. If the business of diagnosing illness was that easy, nobody would waste time and money in medical school
People like to do this with physical illness too…years ago I had an illness that turned out to be pertussis and a relative attempted before the doctor diagnosed me, to diagnose me with something (turned out to be not what I had)
I stick to my own advice in this and when somene asks me “what do you think I have?” I tell them to just see their doctor
And he could have wreaked even more havoc had he settled for random targets. Cops are in an incredibly vulnerable position. He probably could have sniped them from a distance for months without being apprehended, especially in an area like South-Central, where he could have easily dissolved into the background, and even had an extensive support network to help facilitate his own concealment.