That’s exactly what I normally do. In this case he jumped on the Aeschines “Problematic” train, AND…well, it was Prince, and there’s a bit of history there ;).
sorry, I don’t get it. why do the Ramones being “dad rock” mean they’re “that influential?”
all that kind of talk makes me think is that the Boomers believe the music they grew up on is the best thing that ever happened and should be preserved for all eternity.
Well, the funny thing about that is, the big ol’ DD is decrying the Ramones’ influence (OR FUCKING ANDY WARHOL) because they didn’t influence anything he follows (his appreciation of culture apparently froze as they become influental). Go figure.
I believe that WordMan’s position is that The Ramones became dad rock, and therefore became rock that’s acceptable to dads. So, therefore, to everyone that consumes hard rock, they are a touchstone that is acceptable. Doesn’t matter if you do hair metal or extreme hardcore whatever - you can groove to a Ramones song, and at some point they were probably your gateway drug to stripped down rock 'n roll.
Plus, DD hates anything with a groovy beat that you can bug out to. He’s a fucking drag 24/7/365 on that subject. If it doesn’t put you in a coma, he hates it. Just the most sucky human being I’ve ever met on the subject of music with a BPM north of your heartbeat. Meth heads are more interesting to talk to - at least they’re less predictable.
Seriously, if he isn’t a fucking troll trying to present the “GET OFF MY LAWN!” perspective of a 70’s hippie - he’s doing it without the “troll” epithet because he’s sincere and hasn’t learned anything since 1975, and should just macramé his dumb ass into being one with the universe already.
I don’t see what’s particularly tough about this idea, jz78817, but thanks for that drive-by. You got something on your mind? “Unwarranted self importance.” As myself, as a Baby Boomer, as a Rock person - what are you aiming at? And why? Where have I limited your “non-Boomer contributions” (?) to a music thread?
And scab, I agree with the rest your post. The fuckin predictability of his tedium is what astounds.
ETA: And, hey, pool? Get into that thread and make a point about the Ramones then. Engage the discussion, and offer what’cha got to make a different argument. Fight my ignorance.
While I agree they are a touchstone that is universally acceptable, I don’t think that says anything about their influence. Most people - even hip-hop and electronica fans - have never heard of Afrika Bambaataa or Kraftwerk, and they’re certainly not “dad anything,” yet still among the most influential artists in any genre.
I don’t question the Ramones’ influence, but it’s because of all the bands who are happy to tell everyone they were influenced by the Ramones, not because they are “dad rock.”
If anything, the “dad rock” thing just signifies that they are no longer an extreme band because compared to later bands they are tame. Whatever parents thought of the Ramones in the 70s, they would have been a hell of a lot happier to have their kids listen to them than Black Flag, Motorhead, or whoever by the 80s.
The same is true of Metallica, who were once on the cutting edge of extreme metal but today are in heavy rotation on classic rock stations and commercials and so forth.
All good. I played Bambaataa’s Planet Rock, Whodini, Kool Moe Dee and other hip hop up to Run DMC in the kitchen, too. Songs like The Freaks Come Out at Night or Wild Wild West are great with memorable hooks.
Yes, i was using the Dad Rock idea simply to say what you are saying - they are no longer considered extreme. If you watch the NFL, you hear The Ramones alongside Gary Glitter, Kernkraft 400, Start Me Up by the Stones, Welcome to the Jungle, etc. as stadium cues during the game.
“Worth” can be a relative thing depending on what a specific individual finds valuable or not valuable. Petty’s worth to this particular individual is apparently low but, judging from the sales and accolades, his worth to many people was quite high.