Driving a Mitsubishi Miev. Impressions.

While my parents are visiting my sister on the East Coast, I’m getting a chance to use their electric vehicle. Just so we’re clear, this is a fully electric vehicle; not a drop of gasoline or other fuel to be found anywhere. Here’s what I’ve found:

The range is perfectly fine for someone who doesn’t like to spend a lot of time driving and doesn’t have to drag tons of stuff or go really long distances. I can get two days’ commute on a full charge, easily. It takes a while to charge, but the last time I drove overnight was the paper route, so that’s not a big problem. The funny thing about it is that it’s actually more efficient at low-speed, constantly start-and-stop driving (which now constitutes at least 80% of driving in Hawaii); it’s the high-speed stretches that eat up the power, exactly the opposite of a regular vehicle. As more places get charging stations, it’ll make things easier; right now I only know of one in Pearlridge, and I think I saw one somewhere in Ala Moana.

It can’t go all that fast, which would’ve been something of a problem twenty years ago, but nowadays you can’t tear it up anywhere*. We frequently have nightmare jams on H1, for crying out loud. Anyway, I’m well past my impatient speed-demon phase.

It doesn’t have much capacity, so it’s no good for taking a big group to the airport or picking up lumber, but I wouldn’t use my normal car (a Corolla) for those tasks anyway.

It’s makes very tight turns, perfect for the kind of parking lot maneuvering I have to do these days. In my Corolla, I’m finding that I pretty much ALWAYS have to back up and straighten out to get into any parking space, even an angled one, and it seems like I can’t go ten feet in any direction without being dangerously close to hitting something. I don’t even want to think about what my old Camry would’ve been like. With the Miev, just pull right in. It’s width makes it easy to accommodate adjoining cars parked a little too close to the line.

Of course, it’s lightweight and compact, which unfortunately can be a double-edged sword. Obvious advantage in using less energy, but it also gets really shaken by rough roads (all too common in Hawaii, especially the freeways), and I have to be VERY careful with those speed bumps, which are often ridiculously high where I go. I’m actually a little scared that I might be doing damage to the suspension.

It’s amazingly responsive. I’ve never seen a vehicle that did what I wanted like this before. One thing we tend to forget is that one of the big advantages of an all-electric vehicle is that there is much less stuff to worry about. No coughing, sputtering engine, no separate battery that can corrode and fail and die a the worst possible times, no leaky radiator, no bent, rusted-out muffler, no oil leaks**. Of course, this is still a young vehicle and time will tell if it will hold together, but, barring an unforeseen massive defect, it should provide lots of reliable service.

One complication I didn’t expect was that you have to be a bit careful putting in the recharger. For some inexplicable reason, EV manufacturers got really super cute with the charger, making it look just like a fuel pump. See, this is what you use to refuel your EV, hyuck hyuck hyuck! Well, see, inasmuch a fuel pump isn’t designed to be left there for hours, a much better option would be something that doesn’t carry the risk of, oh, I dunno, ACCIDENTALLY DISCONNECTING. Which happened to me twice already. Like, have some kind of manual clamp that could keep the charger firmly in place, and have the cord go straight down so that the weight doesn’t act to pull the charger outward, that sorta thing? Not a huge problem, just something you need to watch for.

In all, I like it. I like it a lot. And yes, I’ll readily admit that there’s a certain appeal to using something that almost no one else is. Hey, I’ve never run with the pack, why start now?

Now, to address certain hot-button issues:

It’s no secret that we’re going to run out of oil someday. I know that. That’s not my big concern. What is is that we’re running out of it much, MUCH faster than I ever anticipated. When I was in college, gas was less than $2 a gallon. That was not a very long time ago. And I’ve come to accept the fact that there is not just a possibility, but a very good chance that the price of gas will go past the point where I’m willing to pay well within my lifetime. At that point, having an alternative will be not simply desirable, but an absolute necessity. I didn’t live as long as I have by shoving my head in the sand. When the time comes that I need a vehicle with serious limitations, I’ll drive one without the slightest hesitations.

Speaking of which, the Miev is limited, make no mistake, but keep in mind that this is one of the very first viable all-electric vehicles. I don’t doubt for a second that the technology will improve. Maybe not enormously, but then it’s not going to take much to elevate this from curiosity to viable vehicle. Double the range and find a way to cut down on charging time (two charging outlets, perhaps?), and it’ll make it a lot more attractive.

Eventually, what we’re all going to have to come to terms with…and what I suspect is the source of the astonishing level of hatred for vehicles like this***… is the fact that the way we’re doing things is just plain bad. Never mind “sustainability” or “yuppies”, using an inordinate amount of oil is bad, having way too many children is bad, driving aggressively and getting into accidents is bad. And especially in America, a nation which two and a half centuries ago told King George where he could cram his divine right, should not itself to be hobbled by ideological concerns.

What I’m saying is, why the hell not electric vehicles, and fuel-efficient compacts (Corolla!**** :slight_smile: ), and natural gas-powered buses, and monorails and subways, and diesel-powered trucks for when power and range can’t be compromised? We’re a big nation with big needs, and we can’t afford to limit ourselves for stupid reasons.

The thing is, if your lifestyle absolutely requires a big, inefficient vehicle, maybe you should have planned your lifestyle more carefully. This is a sensitive topic for me; I work in public housing, where by far the biggest financial headaches are 1. too many kids and 2. too much money sunk into the vehicle. I vowed long ago that I would never turn into one of those hopeless cases, and because of that I learned to appreciate small, compact, and economical. And if we could spread that kind of mentality around, I’m just saying that it would make things a whole lot better for all of us. Yeah, snowball’s chance, but it would be cool, right?

I mourned when the Superferry got shut down for absolutely no good reason (because that useless Linda Lingle didn’t do a thing to save it…sheesh if you can’t stand up to grass-hugging hippies, who can you stand up to?). A great transportation option, gone, just like that. I can tell you right now, ain’t nobody gonna tell my family we shouldn’t have no Miev.

P.S. Did I mention that it makes very tight turns, which makes parking a breeze? Seriously, that’s a pretty big deal for me. :slight_smile:

  • Seriously, the traffic situation has plunged off a cliff into an underwater trench. There was a time when you could take the freeway from Waikiki to home, and it’d be smooth sailing all the way. Nowadays, if you can manage that in less than 40 minutes, it’d be a flat-out miracle.

** Yes, of course I’ve dealt with all this. Not on the same vehicle, thankfully.

*** Anyone who dislikes EVs because of pollution concerns should be pistol-whipped. I mean, good lord.

**** And hybrids, like my parents’ Prius, which has held up very well, thank you.

why, Because you say so? it has been immediately preceded by the Nissan Leaf and Ford Focus, both of which have greater range. It has about half the range of the second-generation GM EV1 from 15 years ago. It’s way outclassed in range by the Tesla Model S (at a huge cost penalty, admittedly.)

so tell me- give me a reason why the MiEV is the first “viable” electric car that doesn’t boil down to “it’s the only one I’ve ever driven.”

How much noise does it make? Are you worried about people who might not hear you coming? If there were a bunch of people driving these things around, would you be worried stepping out into traffic?

jz78817 - I was comparing it to the old prototypes, the ones that could barely make it across town. I didn’t know about the Leaf or electric Focus. Do you have specs, test results, testimonials to back up your claims? Are they available in Hawaii? How much should I expect to pay for one? Educate me.

Ethilrist, to take your questions one at a time:

  • It makes very little noise. I always considered this a good thing, and I believe this even more strongly now that I’ve been subjected to numerous truly obnoxious modifieds (not to mention a truly criminal level of military-surplus “firecrackers” every winder that only recently came to an end).
  • Well, I haven’t gotten into a horrific wreck yet, so no, I’m not too worried. Lemme tell ya, where I live, you gotta be on your toes all the time no matter what you’re in. Sudden stops and close calls and motorcycles zipping by you on the shoulder are just a way of life.
  • I’d be a lot more worried about big trucks or minivans, which have less visibility and take longer to turn or stop.

I have to ask, what kind of environment do you live in where you do not LOOK out for traffic? It’s always noisy on the streets over here. Even for something like an ambulance or fire truck, which is designed to make itself heard, I still have to see which direction it’s coming from. My methods of avoiding trouble are not going too fast, making sure there’s a sufficient opening before changing lanes, and always paying attention to what’s happening in front of me, especially on the freeway. Worked like a charm so far.

Seriously, why do these vehicles always drum up such emotional responses? Like I said, they’re an option. Not for everyone, probably not for a big majority of Americans, but right now it suits my needs just fine. I don’t deny for a moment that there are drawbacks (lack of cargo space, that’s another one; found that out during my last Costco trip).

I think the emotion is from the convervatives, and it about 1) The amount of money the government is plowing into electric carrs, and 2) The idea that the government is somehow going to take away our SUVs, pickups, and minivans and make everyone drive electric cars.

Cars draw emotional responses because people love to get emotional about their cars.They always have, at least since the 1950’s and maybe earlier. Insulting somebody’s car-buying is like insulting his religion. I dunno why, but that’s the way it is.

And anything to do with major changes in the car industry has huge economic and political repercussions, too. So simple discussions that start out as “I love my electric car”, eventually end up in Great Debates.

Don’t take it personally :slight_smile:
I live in one of the 3 countries where Better Place, Inc is trying to sell electric cars with battery-swapping stations. It isn’t working, though. Unless somebody can solve the problem of very limited range between charges, electric cars won’t go mainstream.
But good for you if it fits your lifestyle.

actually, most of the emotion I’ve seen is from the liberals, who want to save the planet. Greenpeace style.

Note: the op did not say “the” first, just “one of” the first. And it is. The GM EV1 was never put out as a viable vehicle and there are only a handful of full BEVs out there right now. Tesla is viable for one narrow market segment. The MiEV is viable for another segment. It is a super compact with a smallish range, about 80% of the Leaf’s, and not great acceleration. That meets the needs of some. If you are within that segment it is a wonderful choice. The op is not saying it is the right vehicle for everyone.

The argument though for why not all of the above is the need to make decisions about what sort of infrastructure to support them if any options other than gas and diesel are to provide private vehicles with intercity driving range at an affordable price. Of course the more that something other than gasoline and diesel is used by those who do not need that sort of range or when such range is not needed, the more that use is displaced, the better - for those who do need to use it if nothing else.

Seriously, those who feel they will need to use gasoline the most should be the most eager to get those who do not to adopt these alternative fuel technologies.

Excuse me, but this information should be readily available, so if you really want to know, then look it up DKW. I don’t see that it’s jz’s job to educate you. You made an assertion, and jz asked you to back it up. Perfectly legitimate.

And don’t forget to signal! That’s a great way to communicate your intentions to others on the road. I just might be one of those motorcycles zipping past you.

Thank you.
One final note: the MiEV has a nice look to it, although it looks a little like a rolling egg. I haven’t seen any yet in the SF Bay Area.

Oh be nice. Here is one compare and contrast chart. More fully electric BEVs are coming too.

The other choice for someone who values displacing oil use with grid-derived power, for whatever their reason, is a plug-in hybrid (PHEV) or “extended range electric vehicle” (EREV) which can be chosen with a battery sized to handle most or all of one’s daily commute but able to run on gas beyond that. That group includes the plug-in Prius, the Volt, and the Ford C-Max Energi as more affordable mass market wannabe examples.

College students are, as near as I can tell, indestructible and immortal. They must be, given the casual indifference they show towards their own safety as they wander out into the street or across a parking lot. I’m not particularly keen on driving a car that makes less noise than a pedestrian…

A concern that has been considered:

While most EVs were already doing such, it is now actually the law (although not yet officially in force, standards in development.)

Toyota has one even for the regular Prius, it’s quiet enough otherwise.

Above those lower speeds they are loud enough to be heard just from the road noise, just as loud outside the car as an ICE.