Ebay and Ebay fink, I pit thee. And thine.

Yes, I understand. Doujinshi do not simply copy the works of others, they create their own artwork, USING CHARACTER DESIGNS AND CHARACTERS CREATED BY OTHERS but still, each drawing is “original” whatever that means in that context.

I maintain that my Photoshopped artwork is an original piece too. I took disparate elements and brought them together – however unskillfully you might think – to create an artwork with an entirely new meaning and context. I carefully reworked the artwork to creat that new context. It’s at LEAST as original as a doujinshi, and not nearly so pornographic as many of them. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that.)

Yes, but that’s not really what I did. I will grant you that the level of technical skill in doujinshi is truly awesome, however.

No, but anime and manga are rapidly expanding in popularity in the U.S., whereas the trend in most graphic media, especially movies, is for the U.S. to overrun domestic products in other countries.

The people in the peanut gallery are there is because their contributions to this thread consists only of “You are shit.” or “Your work is shit.” They may honestly hold such opinions but it’s not something I can really argue with.

I’m sure the money does mean a lot , but it doesn’t mean it’s good. So, “people buy my work over the internet” doesn’t really mean much as a defense to “We don’t think your work is good,” which is what many of the posters here seem to be saying. People buy “herbal Viagra” over the internet, doesn’t mean it works.

No, more like, me = not quite so deluded, you = deluded.

I know it stings, and I guess I feel a little bad about this current pile-on you’re having. I also feel kind of bad at criticizing you at all, since under other circumstances, I might have smiled and allowed you to continue in your happy delusion.

But I guess this was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me and you were the unlucky bloke that got it all. I’m rather sorry about that. But there’s a part of me that thinks it would have been cruel to not challenge these excessive delusions.

It’s just that I got sick of it—sick of the bragging, the boasting, the assuming that no one else does anything or knows anything, (like you have done with several of us and have repeatedly done with me) the paranoid delusion that someone on eBay turned you in (or that I’m “pissing on your work”) based on being jealous of your brilliance. Honey, it ain’t true. You needed to be told. I’m sorry that you got a pile-on because of it, but you dug yourself in deeper and deeper and deeper.

No one’s jealous. No. One. You kind of slyly suggested that I needed to put you down in order to feel better about myself. Honey, if I hadn’t outgrown that childish tactic at age 15, I’d only do it with someone whose work I envied in some way—and honey, you’ve ain’t got nothing I envy.

No one on eBay reported you for that reason either. I don’t know why they reported you, but I cannot fathom there was one particle of jealousy involved.

See, if you hadn’t done any of that (bragged so much, implied that others are jealous of your brilliance), I don’t think that you’d be getting so much criticism.

Yeah, well, I’m well-known for my rambling about art. :wink:

Thank you.

On what?

On the fact that too much confidence (and the automatic assumption that you are so fabulous) can stifle your own artistic development? That such excessive bragging will rub people the wrong way and result in a pile-on?

I disagree. I’ve seen people suffer from too much self-delusion—on occasion, I’ve suffered from it. A sometimes painful knock-down can lead to further, dramatic improvement. If you’ve never been harshly critiqued (and I agree, some here have been overly harsh) then perhaps it’s about time.

I wouldn’t tell you that your work is “crap.” It’s good that you draw and you should be encouraged to do more of it. I think that you could have your own unique fabulousness—just like we all can—if you do more practicing and growing, and a lot less crowing and bragging. And once again, don’t delude yourself that anyone’s jealous. They’re not. NO ONE is jealous.

You need to do more original drawing and less swiping of others’ works. You have the potential to do completely, 100% original works rather than leeching off of someone else’s hard work with your Photoshop hack jobs. You just need to put in the effort to develop more skills.

Good to hear. I hope you mean that.

There’s also “The Artist’s Complete Guide to Figure Drawing: A Contemporary Perspective on the Classical Tradition” by Anthony Ryder, which is awesome. Also, the “Atlas of Human Anatomy for the Artist” by Stephen Rogers Peck is another book that I consult often. Of course the best thing to do is to take Life Drawing, and lots of it. If you live in an area that has some classes in artistic anatomy, take a few semesters of that too—it’ll be the making of you. And learn how to render and shade the middle tones better. That’ll improve your work greatly.

No, not “bad,” deluded. And yes, I do think that I (and a lot of others) have more skill than you at the moment, but if you take those classes and get those books and do more practice and less bragging (and cast off the delusion about “they put me down 'cause they’re jealous”) then you’ll discover your own unique fabulousness in no time. :slight_smile:

I just want to say: Yosemitebabe, you ROCK!!!

You always seem to get to threads ahead of me and say just what I would have, only better!! You are probably singlehandedly accountable for my low post-count.

While I’m sucking up, I loved the work on your site. I’ve read your mentions of selling cowboy ceramics and such, and always meant to check it out but never got around to it.

I agree wholeheartedly with your comments about young artists who are overly cocky. It is one thing I’m always wary of when I drag out the ol’ sketchbook at parties. I don’t want to hear about how good you think I am or how your cousin is so much better, I just want to draw!

Well, damn. NOW you tell me. Where were you eight days and $69.95 ago?

Well, lemme tone down the conversation a notch.

Yes, I do feel it is stealing, and it is like coming into my house and taking my TV set. And, yes, I do understand the concept of recontextualization of pop culture via sampling/montaging/etc, and have been an avid supporter of sampling in hip-hop as a valid form of artistic expression. Don’t be so certain that you’re so far ahead of the curve as the rest of us.

There are certain ways you can use copyrighted art without having to worry about compensating the creator. That’s called “fair use.” Unfortunately, what you’re doing doesn’t fall under fair use (which, among other things, includes parodies, certain educational applications, and stuff like quoting.)

Thing is, it’s doubtful that anyone is going to come after you with what you are doing. You’re too small a fish to care. But the copyright law you lambast may one day save your ass, so I’d be careful if I were you. Where does it stop? How can we police the type of use you’d like? Is it okay for an individual to use copyrighted images, but not a corporation? Is it okay if the value of the work sold is under a certain amount? If it’s only used for promotional purposes? If it’s used for this or that?

I don’t think there’s any good answer other than the system we have now. If you want to use someone’s work for art you display as your own, fine. Contact that person. Negotiate the rights to the image. You can’t just have a blanket system of reimbursement to the artist, as artists have a right to set their own value upon their work. Why am I not entitled to use my images as I see fit? They’re not public property, and working artists need to put food on the table, pay insurance, pay mortgages, etc.

This is why I never do work-for-hire. I want to retain creative control of my work, know what it’s being used for, and set my price accordingly.

Yes, I do see it as stealing. You’re using my work to create value in your work. Why else would you be using my photo, then? Find a copyright-free photo or take it yourself otherwise. There’s plenty of copyright-free websites. There’s plenty of image agencies that will sell you Christina’s and Britney’s photos legally.

And with images of people, you need a model release to use their likeness in anything outside an editorial context. My picture of Joe Blow down the street, which may have appeared in The New York Times, cannot be used for advertising unless I secure Joe Blow’s permission. Joe Blow has a right to control how his likeness is being used, doesn’t he? Mr. Blow wouldn’t want his picture used in a humorous advertisement for Viagra, now would he?

I think that while the safeguards and protection copyright offers may be annoying to you, for most working artists it is a blessing. And I have finked in the past when I came across copyrighted images on the web when I knew who the photographer was.

Wow. Thank you!

Thank you thank you thank you! I will have to post some links to the cowboy ceramics sometime. I’ve had so much fun with them.

Indeed. I feel that this constant bragging is what makes it difficult for the rest of us. When I hear about so-and-so’s son being such a great artist, part of me secretly thinks, “Yeah right.” It’s horrible that I feel that way, but it’s because too many Evil Captors have already disappointed me in the past.

And yeah, you are on the right track. Just wanna draw, draw, draw! It should always be about the work.

Oh give me a break! :wink:

This thread has ceased being serious: It’s pure comedic gold!
It’s as funny as that guy who posted “I burning your dog” in regards to obtuseness.
Whether it’s intentional or unintentional on his behalf, let the masses decide. I think that Evil Captor is having some fun at our expense or at least is trying to.

He says he has 20 years of experience. I want to know how old he is, because I’m thinking that 10 of those years, he was in the single age digits.

Ah. It’s a 1920’s style “Death Ray”.

This particular page has some interesting thoughts on the Hands-On imperative as it applies to both programming and art that mirror some of my own thoughts on the subject. Note especially the thoughts on the group that deals in utopian plagiarism, with the idea that we all build culture together.

Cue violin music

Oh, fie! The INJUSTICE of it all. Please, won’t someone think of the children? Oh, how I long for a world where highly-talented artists, quite ahead of their time, are free to crappily paste Britney Spears’ head on a porno picture and sell it on eBay for “maximal coinage, dude”, and be treated like the heroes they are. Poor, poor mild-mannered Evil Captor - I bet you’re pretty much feeling like Jesus right now, aren’t you?

Please don’t stop - this thread is comedic gold. :smiley:

I think I’ll take my copyright issues to Great Debates at some point, as there’s been very little in the way of rational discussion here.

I’m just too amused by the idea of Britney as a siren. She needs to have that gag on because men will be hopelessly in her thrall if they hear her voice. Yep. Britney’s hypnotically beautiful voice will capture their hearts.

I agree! This is the best thread I’ve read here for months, maybe even years. I don’t know what it is that attracts me so. Maybe it’s the OP’s devil-may-care attitude when it comes to copy right violations? Maybe it’s his bloated opinion of himself? Maybe it’s the fact that he justifies his picture because he knows how crappy it is, but if he admits he knows, all is lost? Maybe because I’m seeing an example of the American Dream–a person turning out sub-standard dreck with dollar signs in his eyes.

No matter what the reason, it’s a…beautiful (as in the picture in question)…thing. Though it did crack me up when I sent the link to the piece to a few people and they started laughing so hard they could barely respond to me. I always get a good feeling in my heart when I can make my friends laugh like that.
Awww, is that what you’re doing Evil Captor. The world is a sucktacular place, and it’s a good man who can make his acquaintences laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh and temporarily forget their problems.

Its remarks like this that made Van Gogh cut his ear off…

Have you no heart you callous harpy?
:wink:

No no no . . . they’re not laughing, they’re jealous! That’s it! They’re jealous of his brilliant artistic talent, and they’re jealous because he can “make coin” with this brilliant talent! The laughter is only hiding a deep, abiding jealousy . . . :smiley:

Yes, that makes sense. One of them creates digital ads for a living (and makes achingly beautiful wallpapers for me) and I imagine her heart was breaking because she can’t even dream of touching his talent. Maybe I mistook her sobs for laughter.

Yep, that’s it. She’s totally bummed, dude, cuz her stuff isn’t bitchin’ enough to bring in the righteous coin-osity. :wink:

Is she? I’m kinda bummed 'cos slave Britney and Christina won’t look good with the rest of my posters, especially the Split Enz and Crowded House posters .

Ok.
So over it.

anya marie,

You only posted because you are trying to get him to make you a sexy ‘Atlas’ photo montage of Neil and Tim Finn. Just admit it.

[sub]oh. wait. That was me![/sub].

I photoshopping your Finn.