I’m only talking about views with regards to anti-black racism in America – with regards to this narrow topic, I trust the majority of black people in America (as should you and everyone else). Just the one topic – 'cause they’ve always been right (on this one topic), but the majority of America has not always been right on this topic.
I’ll address them when you identify them.
I love your response, though, essentially, “the above is wrong but I can’t tell you why.” Awesome and hilarious.
And an equal say in which slavery is bad.
Black opinions matter. And so do non-black ones. Or is that racist?
When it comes to anti-black racism, black opinions matter a lot more than non-black ones. History has proven this out – the majority of black people in America were always right through our history about how they were treated, and very often the majority of white people were not (specifically about how black people were treated, not about other topics).
I don’t know. Should I link to an internet poll to find out?
Civil rights are not subject to majority rule.
Much of our government is set up to protect individuals from the majority.
A majority of people saying something isn’t racist, when it’s a symbol of a war by people that wanted to perpetuate their ownership and lack of human rights, and has been co-opted by people who have never renounced that national sin, isn’t compelling.
No, I think the children of slaves get a bigger say than the children of slavers (especially when those children are* still *proud of the slavers)
While vacationing in the south, a cute little five year old girl was laughing at our Yankee accents. She told us she liked Yankees. We told her we like Southerners. Then she told us her daddy didn’t like Yankees because he said we loved niggers.
Addressing toys seems like a good idea.
I beat my wife about 4 times a year; my neighbor beats his wife once a month. He’s a wife beater. As I’m typing this, the neighbor lady has two black eyes; my wife only has one. God damn, my wife’s a lucky gal!
If you want to rail against flying the US flag because of atrocities committed while it flew, knock yourself out.
I’m just waiting for Ben Afleck to get on Antiques Roadshow and find out what his collection of “interesting” cloth napkins REALLY is.
People are different than countries, and are judged differently than countries, as they should be.
On anti-black racism, I trust black people as a group, and not you. They’ve always been right about anti-black racism.
I could easily tell you why, if you ask politely.
Meantime, are we still at the “racism is bad but rudely pointing out racism is worse” stage?
What my people call “the 21st century”?
That would be fine if there such a thing as, “black people as a group.” Unfortunately for you, and your argument that slavery was “more of an atrocity” down south, there is no such thing as, “black people as a group.” Each black person is an individual, just like white people. Your view of blacks as part of a collective helps explain why you think slavery in 4 northern states isn’t as bad as slavery in 11 southern ones. I, on the other hand, think slavery was a crime against each individual slave, not some measured fraction of a larger unit. That is why I am far more offended by Northern slavery than you are.
There is the opinion of the majority of black Americans. This is a thing that exists in the real world.
No, I’m arguing that there was more slavery in the South (which is very true), and further, that the Confederate flag was resurrected to prominence specifically to oppose integration and Civil Rights.
I don’t think of black people as a collective – I’m saying that on the issue of anti-black racism, the majority of black people are correct, as they have always been, and their opinions on anti-black racism have far, far more value then others.
Slavery in the 4 northern states was as bad as in the 11 southern states, but there was much, much less slavery in the North than in the South, and many Northern states outlawed slavery, and the United States ultimately ended slavery, ended other oppressive practices, and advanced Civil Rights. That’s why the Confederacy (and the Confederate flag) is so much worse – they have all the bad stuff with regard to racism as the US, with none of the good stuff (e.g. ending slavery and other oppression), in addition to being founded specifically to advance and protect slavery.
Except that you aren’t. I haven’t said that – slavery was bad everywhere. The South was worse because it had slavery everywhere (unlike the North, at the time), and because it never ended slavery on its own. And the Confederate flag is worse because it was specifically resurrected as a symbol of oppression.
Also, the Confederate flag is worse because that’s how the majority of black people see it, and the majority of black people in America don’t see the US flag as a racist symbol. I trust the opinions of the majority of black people.
Ignorance isn’t an “opinion.”
That’s very different from " . . . the metric used to gauge the wrongness of slavery was secession. . . . "
The logical shortfall here is beyond astonishing. The two statements are the converse of each other.
The proper re-interpretation is “the metric used to gauge the wrongness of secession was slavery.” That is logically congruent (in essence) to what was said. Re-casting it into the converse is absurdly fallacious.
“You might just as well say that ‘I see what I eat’ is the same thing as ‘I eat what I see!’” Your logic fails outside of Wonderland.
That’s not what you wrote. If you’re amending it, fine by me.
This is patently absurd. Slavery existed in the U.S. in at least 22 states for various periods between 1776 and 1861. It existed in the Confederacy in 11 states from 1861 until 1865. No matter how you do the math, there is no way to get to MORE slavery in the Confederacy than in the U.S. (Unless, I guess, if you pretend slavery didn’t exist until 1861. Is that what you think?)
I disagree that “the majority of black people” have some special insight into racism that I lack. Hell, the majority of black people have no idea what a Confederate flag even is as the majority of black people live nowhere near North America.