Ecstacy is well known for causing one very dangerous side effect, a rapid increase in body temperature, with a risk of causing organ damage and death. I once got dosed with an overdose of Ecstacy, and I suddenly became extremely hot, my body was overheating to a fever that I figured was way higher than 104. With what little sense I had remaining, I dragged myself to my car and cranked on the air conditioner. I cooled myself off, and probably saved my own life. I’ve heard of people who had similar overheating problems and ended up dead. I’d never ever touch the stuff again.
Oh, gees. Got to agree that the couple of times I did it were something totally else. Inhibition {b]FREE**.
But it is a chemical that messes with the natural order, quite literally, in your head. It’s been big here for a very long time and apart from the (relatively) small number of directly related deaths, I have known several people personally who took one too many and simply never fully came back from the trip.
Irrespective of Official Reports, those people are not who they were or should be and they themselves remain sentient enough to be seriously unhappy about that.
FWIW, I saw a TRIO documentary the other day that said all Extacy comes from european pharmacutical companies. (we sent them cigs, and they send us X)
Did it a couple of times, and I’m not dead yet.
As with all “soft” drugs, don’t drive, don’t mix with other drugs, take a small amount the first time, have a non-drugged friend nearby just in case, don’t have unprotected sex just because your high, etc…
So your friend had a few thosand dollars worth of lab equipment, several heavily controlled precursors, access to a mass spectrometer, and a few years of organic chemistry under his belt while in high school? Umm, something smells funny in here and it ain’t me. I wiped.
Here’s a link to a section of the LSD FAQ explaining why LSD is so difficult to synthesize. It’s estimated that there are no more than a dozen clandestine labs operating in the U.S. at any one time and I’ll wager dollars to microdots that soulslings’ friend’s basement was never one of them.
It’s also pretty damn likely that soulsling is lying about synthesizing ecstasy too. According to the MDMA FAQ :
So what were you making in that basement, soulsling?
Never done it. Been offered it. Won’t ever do it.
I remember the “good old days” of my youth when I somehow developed a daily craving for massive amounts of cocaine.
Recently, I quit drinking when I discovered that the good feelings of the night before were replaced in the morning by no memory of what I had done the night before, other than drink.
Trust me kiddies, I ain’t all that old, and I certainly am NOT The Man. Ecstasy sounds like a drug that is insidiously addictive. Try it once for kicks, but recognize the danger before it gets behind you.
There have been a lot of reports in the German (usually soft-drug-friendly) media on the dangerous side-effects of ecstasy. It seems that many (ab)users have been developing symptoms of psychosis after regular medium-term use, which has made their lives very difficult to say the least.
I would like to emphasize that this comes partly from sources that tend to approve the decriminalization of cannabis, etc. I.e., not your usual U.S. witch-hunt style journalism.
In any event, it would probably be a good idea to lay off the stuff, you might otherwise regret it later. (Of course we reget lots of things later, but they don’t often prove permanently detrimental to our mental health.)
Heh, I’ve been known to make a few. Had no idea it was around that long.
Oh sure, drug users can live a long time, granted. But the site you keep mentioning (dancesafe.org) itself says about Ecstasy:
So it seems I was right about one thing. The long term effects are still unknown.
Hm, but dancesafe.org tells us…
OK, they dont mention heroin or crank specifically but PCP? Yow. It’s not like your batch of E is guaranteed to be 99 44/100% pure ecstasy.
Okay, first off, Padeye, I said in the other half of the sentence you quoted that I didn’t buy the idea of X being as safe as Dimetapp. I’ve got your gullible right here.
And c’mon, Alpha, you’re in NY, head down to the clubs and drop a hit or two for us, will ya? Take one for the team, as it was.
Thanks to everyone who’s responded; between the links and the responses, I’ve got a pretty good idea what I’d be dealing with in regard to a person on X.
My friends basement didn’t need all the fancy equipment, we did fine on our own. I don’t care what some site has to say about it, or what you read in the cookbook, if you want to synthesize something in your basement, you can get the equipment you need from a hardware store, a kitchen appliance store, and a hobby shop. Note: latex gloves don’t prevent you from tripping when handling wet sheets of acid.
Along the lines of what I mentioned earlier about not necessarily knowing what your taking is this piece from http:///www.dancesafe.org that OldScratch linked us to.
Neutron, I disagree also. You just have not met many “cooks” apparently. I know for a fact that people make this stuff with no Chem degrees and no labs, just the home equipment and the cook. I’ve seen it, which is better than any cite I could give you.
Again, if you do chemical drugs, just don’t be a guinea pig.
Cooks? Cooks are losers that brew up meth in their basement. People who make LSD are called chemists. You saw somebody making something aenea, but you don’t know that it was acid. There are literally thousands of things your snicker “cook” friends could be brewing up.
Soulsling, if your friend is such a chemistry genius that he can do this in a basement, perhaps you should alert the drug synthesis gurus at the hive of your breakthroughs. I’m sure these professional chemists will be very interested in your high school friend’s breakthrough that they somehow never thought of.
Perhaps you could also email me and tell me how you did it. And you can tell me how you obtained the precursors. I bet you don’t even know what precursors are neccessary to synthesize LSD or MDMA. If it’s so damn easy, why aren’t there tons of “bathtub recipes” floating around the net? The only thing you’ll find is complicated, involved synthesises. Why? Because that’s how you make acid! I challenge you to find me one web site that says otherwise…
Neutron, I never said it was acid they were making. Nor did I say they were friends of mine.
Read twice. We were talking about X remember? :rolleyes: I know you like to come off as “Mr. Knows all about drugs” so go ahead. That’s a title I wouldn’t be too proud of.
Personally, when I answer these kinds of questions I at least try and answer the op, and maybe give my 2 cents worth of advice from someone who has been there and tried many things (not always wisely). I may not have your vast experience snicker but at least I’m trying to give a productive answer. You are doing what?
You want to answer the op, great, that’s what we are all here for. You want to get into a pissing match, head over to the appropriate forum.
I don’t have the magazine on hand at the moment, but I know Time did an article on Ecstasy that was featured on the cover for the week of June 5, 2000. Very interesting, and offered both sides of the story IIRC; arguments about how its easing of inhibitions helped a couple talk about the husband’s cancer openly for the first time, and then the abuse of X at raves. Check it out at your library if possible.
Soulsling claimed to have synthesized both MDMA and LSD. There’s a little more information out there about acid than there is about ecstasy, so that’s the point I was focusing on. You didn’t specify the drug in your post and you were responding to my post addressing the synthesis of both drugs.
I’m sorry. In the future I’ll try to be more ignorant. That’s what this message board is all about right? Being as ignorant as you can? Oh wait, nevermind. I thought this was the LBMB for a second there.
Productive answer? “I know this guy and I think he made ecstasy once” is a productive answer? Did you test it to verify that it was ecstasy? How do you know he wasn’t lying to you like soulsling is lying to the rest of us? Your answer was about as productive as an MPSIMS thread about who has a crush on who.
QUICK QUESTION: Who do you believe? One guy on a message board who claims to have taken 3,000 hits of acid, or 20,000 web sites, many of which were made by people who actually know what the hell they’re talking about? I think I know where my vote lies…
Well Aenea, I don’t know if Neutron is trying to get into a pissing match or not, and I certainly do want to keep things productive, but I have read quite a bit on synthesizing of various drugs, and I can tell you from what I’ve read many times over, and over a period a quite a few years, (1) synthesizing LSD requires a basic knowledge of COLLEGE chemistry (mostly I’ve seen it mentioned that organic chem is pretty much required which is at least a second semester after general chem), and LSD is considered to be relatively simple to synthesize. (2) X is much more difficult to synthesize, and requires much more knowledge and equipment.
Aenea, I don’t know exactly what you’ve seen, and I’m not denying you did see it, but I’m wondering how much knowledge and experience your cooks did in fact have. He/she may not have had a degree, but I’ll bet he/she took more than a few courses or is just naturally a genius. But I find it very difficult to believe that a group of high school kids would even attempt to make crank (which is much simpler than aforementioned drugs) let alone LSD or X.
Please email me proof of the contrary if you wish, (I say this not with cynicism but with hope, I really do want to believe you).
I never said a word about synthesizing LSD. Please read my post again. If I was not too clear on that I apologize. I’m not sure how old you think I am, but I surely am not talking about high school kids at all. What and who I was referring to is mostly X and meth cooks, whom I have met and seen over the last 15 years, but who are not people I usually socialize with. Personally I don’t think too much of home chemists, and don’t at all like the dangerous labs they keep or the fact that they cook this shit at all.
I don’t feel the need to email you with any proof, as this was a part of an answer to a general question. The question of who makes this X has arisen, with some claiming that it is all supplied by foreign pharmaceutical co’s. I was merely disputing that, as I have seen for myself that these companies are not the only people making this stuff.
My point is and has been, you don’t really know who made this drug - be darn carefull with what you put into your body.
Your nasty paraphrasing of my post is cute, but hardly effective. You are also adding things I did not say, which might make you feel better, but is hardly an effective way to fight your own ignorance or anyone elses. You aer so concerned to prove yourself correct over this point that you are now calling me an idiot and Soulslinger a liar. Nice way to prove your point. :rolleyes:
Aenea, I don’t think we’re talking about the same conversation here. What I see on this thread is (1)a ridiculus claim by soulsling that he and friends in high school were making large amounts of LSD and X; (2)Neutron Star calling him on it; and (3) you disagreeing with neutron star, and claiming that soulsing’s claim is indeed possible.
And the only reason I was talking about LSD was to contrast it with the synthesizing of X. I was trying to point out that even though LSD is generally considered one of the simpler drugs to synthesize, it still requires a decent knowledge of chem. X, by contrast is much more complicated.
Also, I don’t think you got it, when I asked for email proof so let’s drop that. (others who did get it may still email me).
Lastly, your point is well taken. Yes, you should indeed be careful when buying anything from someone you don’t know, and especially stuff that hasn’t already been tried by others who have had successful experiences.
I don’t mean to question your credibility here, but you’re trying to say that people who aren’t even your friends, and who are intelligent enough to synthesize MDMA, are showing you things that could land them in jail for decades? And you’ve met more than one person who did this and was dumb enough to show somebody they don’t socialize with their entire setup?
And again I ask, how do you know it was MDMA? But I don’t think I’m going to get an answer to that one.
I’m not saying that all MDMA is foreign. There are clandestine labs right here in the U.S. I read a very good story written by a chemist who got busted for MDMA manufacture in Florida. Sorry I can’t find a link right now or I’d provide it. It’s really an interesting tale.
I’m also not disputing the fact that some MDMA may be cut with other drugs. It’s entirely possible. At a going price of $20-30 a hit, cutting MDMA with other drugs (especially DXM [i.e. the active ingredient in OTC cough syrup]) could be financially feasable to an unscrupulous manufacturer. Solution that would be safe to ravers? Legalize it and ensure strict quality controls, but we all know that makes too much sense and will never happen.
Personally, I’ve never tried MDMA and probably never will. The uncertainty about neurotoxicity has kept me away. However, I’m still very interested in the manufacture, use, abuse, and every other facet of MDMA and other drugs I’ll never use. If you feel that’s something to be ashamed of, Aenea, then that’s no skin off my back.