Ecuador! Ecuador! Ecuador!!!!!

WOOOO-HOOOOOO!!!

I’m going to Ecuador! I’m going to Ecuador!!!

I just got the news last night that I got a grant to go to Arizona State University’s Andes and Amazon Field School

Wa-hoo!! Yay!! Yip, yip, yip!!

Boing, boing, boing!!!

So…that means I’ll be leaving town in a little over a month. I’ll have to finalize my paperwork, check up on my immunizations, sell most of my stuff and store the rest–generally get all the details together. Not to mention that I want to do something like basic training, to get myself in shape for when I go. Right now I’m kind of a blob of flab with a little leftover muscle from doing field work a little over a year ago.

But…WOW!

I’m getting the grant to study intensive Quichua, one of the indigenous languages of the Andes and the western range of the Amazon river system. But I’ll also be taking Amazonian ethnobotany and tropical plant biology.

Wow. Just wow.

And I’m getting paid to do it.

I can’t believe this.

WOO-HOOO!!!

Congratulations!!

I sincerely hope it’s all you hoped for and the experience is one you will treasure your whole life. I admire you for following a dream like this.

Enjoy,

Inky

Nicely done. Er - you might want to check the State Department’s travel advisory before you go, though. The Ecuadorians (Ecuadorites?) just kicked out their President - this isn’t anything tremendously unusual for the country, but it bears watching.

Best line.
Congrats! Keep us posted and take loads of pictures and keep a journal and send me something!

I understand all these words individually, but together, it’s nonsense. Better you than me.

And you can study which direction toilets flush…all for the name of science and Doperdom!

Most excellent! Do take your laptop computer, so you can keep the Dopers updated on your progress :slight_smile:

That’s wonderful, Scribble! This sounds like it’ll be a great thing for your field.

As others have said, please keep us updated.

Congratulations! This will be an amazing experience! I spent about a month in Ecuador a few years ago and had an opportunity to stay with a family in the western Amazon for four days. They primarily spoke Quichua, but they understood some Spanish so I was able to communicate with them a little bit. It was one of the most memorable experiences of my life, I can’t imagine how memorable a full year would be.

Hey, Iris.

I won’t be spending a full year there. The program I’m getting the grant for is about 3 months, and then I’ll be spending another 2 or 3 weeks in the country on my own.

So, do you have any suggestions on stuff I should bring? I like to travel light, but I want to leave behind gifts for people who put me up or do nice things for me.

Do you have any tips on what to do or what not to do while I’m there? I’m talking about things that people find offensive, statements or gestures that mean something different there from what they do in the US, etc.

Hey, also–do you know of any recordings of spoken Quichua? I’d like to get comfortable and proficient with the sounds and rhythms of the language by the time I head south.

Shirley Ujest–Last year, when I went to Brazil, you offered to be my sherpa. Sadly, you did not make good on your promise to be my personal slave in the land of cachaça. :wink: You can be my sherpa on this journey, too, only you’d have some serious hauling stuff up mountains this time. Brazil would’ve been a softer gig.

But, for real–I could send you something, but there’s no guarantee it’ll arrive. (I sent this big box of really cool stuff home from Brazil, but the box never made it back to my place.) What would you like?

Mississippienne, Scuba_Ben, and Shirley–I don’t think I’ll be able to keep anyone updated. I suspect that I’ll be spending at least some of my time in places with very limited electricity or no electricity at all, let alone internet access. And I don’t have a laptop.

But if anyone wants me to send personal letters (like, written on paper and stuff), I’m sure that could be arranged.

Oh, and thanks to everyone for their good wishes.

Mr. Excellent–I’ll keep an eye on what the State Dept. says about political stability and threats to travellers in the country.

Oh sure. Now you tell me. I’ll have to pass on the Ecudorian gig. I get really bad altitude sickness. :slight_smile: And I have this tricky knee…yeahhhh, that’s the ticket.

Ooooooooooooh! A postcard and cancelled stamps always make me happy. And match books. I’m a cheap date. Email is in profile.

Are you going to take anything with you to sway the kids to your power? Gum? Cheap toys? Stuffed animals? I know the doper parents on board here would probably jump at a chance to do a flotilla of stuffed animals down there to where you are at to hand out to the kids.

Huh. I spent several weeks there in 1996, plus another couple of weeks underway on an Ecuadorian Navy corvette and frigate.

I had a ball. Never got to the mountains, mind. Sailors tend to stick close by the beach.

Have fun.

I have a couple of friends who spent summers doing geology field work in Ecuador and absolutely loved it.

On the issue of bringing gifts, both said that the traditional thing to do in their field camp was bring a lot of clothes with them (not too badly used) and when you go, leave them there for the local kids and/or charities (depending on the condition of the area you are in- they were in poorer areas so left clothes to the local families). I think my friends made a _-mart trip before hand to load up on clothes to take with them.

Best of luck, and congratulations!

Congrats. I was in Ecuador for 6 month about 10 years ago and really enjoyed it. We came back (I and the wife) to the States intending to close up stuff and move back to Quito, but it never happened. We still talk about moving down there to teach. Sigh.

I only learned a few words of Quichua. Pishcu (bird) Mishka (cat) Cuy (dinner – joke).
I did pick up a few books, like Aprenda El Quichua.

It sound like you’re going to be in the lowlands. That’s okay, but Quito is great.

Ceviche. Cerveza Pilsner. Panaderilla Cyrano. Colibres. Grainizo storms.

I loved Quito, too.

When I visited Equador (8 yrs ago), I arrived on a bus from Peru and remember the journey as spectacularly beautiful.

You are so lucky. I am certain you will have the time of your life.

Best wishes for a great time.

Hey Scribble,

I do have some ideas that might help, unfortunately, I’m tied up in meetings all day so I’ll try to post something later today.

Cool, Iris. Thanks for your help. I’m looking forward to reading your next post. :slight_smile:

exastrist–Thanks for telling me about that thing with the clothes.

Ecuador is a beautiful country. I’ve spent a couple of months there over the past few years, and it’s harder to leave every time I go. You should be in for a fantastic trip.

I also used to work for a guy who was making educational recordings of Quichua - check your email for more details!

I don’t know why I got the impression you would be there for a full year, but 3 months should be enough time to really get a feel for the culture and see the country. Where are you going to be based primarily for your studies? I went with a small group of about 6 travelers and we explored most of the country over the course of a month. We basically did a big loop of something like this: Quito - Tena - Amazon - Banos - San Pablo - Riobamba - Cuenca - Guayaquil - Machalilla - Otavalo - and back to Quito. I have plenty of pictures that I’d be happy to share with you.

Do you speak Spanish? Very little, if any, English is spoken outside of the larger cities. It’s really helpful if you know a little Spanish, at least as a kind gesture. While I like to think I was fluent in Spanish (you lose what you don’t use!), we also had a translator with us for most of the trip. It’s tricky in the Amazon region where they often speak a combination of Quichua and Spanish. I felt like I had an advantage by being able to communicate in Spanish, or at least it seemed to make an impression on the people.

How much traveling experience do you have? Have you been to South America? Forgive me if I go into too much detail here, but I have a tendency to go on tangents. Here’s what I’d recommend, but it all depends on what you’re comfortable doing. I’d get a trekking pack, so you can carry everything on your back when you’re traveling around. It’s a real pain to carry a duffel bag and wheeled suitcases are just not practical. I’d bring enough clothes for 7 days, or however long you can go without washing. You can always wash your clothes here and there. Since the weather in Ecuador varies by region, you’ll need a variety of clothes. If I remember correctly, I think I packed something like this:

Clothes:
-4 t-shirts and/or tank tops
-1 or 2 pairs of convertible pants or slacks/khakis
-1 pair of shorts
-silk long underwear (in case you go high into the Andes)
-hiking boots, sandals
-fleece
-gortex jacket
-socks and underwear for a week
-bathing suit
-nice outfit for fancy restaurants, clubs, etc.

Other essentials:
-sunscreen
-insect repellent (the more deet the better, those mosquitoes are persistent in the Amazon)
-dramamine or bonine (if you’re prone to motion-sickness)
-imodium (I think I had diarrhea the entire time in Ecuador, but I also tried every food or drink presented to me)
-malarone or other anti-malaria medicine for the Amazon region
-earplugs (the jungle is so noisy at night that it kept me awake. Don’t get me wrong, I love the sounds of the jungle, but we need our sleep)
-basic first aid kit
-flashlight/head lamp

In terms of other preparations you need to take, I’m sure you know what vaccinations you need in addition to bringing anti-malaria pills (Hep A, Hep B, Typhoid, Yellow Fever). Rabies vaccine is also recommended for long-term visitors or if you’re going to be in rural areas and can’t get to a hospital within 24 hours of being bitten by an animal. You also may want to consider getting an emergency evacuation policy to cover emergency medical expenses or repatriation to the states if necessary. I’ve used International SOS and Medex in the past, but there are other providers out there. A comprehensive policy for 3 months will cost around $200, but the school should provide something for you.

I’m sure you know to stay away from public protests while visiting a foreign country. There are protests going on right now in Quito, but I think the country is fairly stable and safe. In my opinion, those consular information sheets on the U.S. State Dept.'s website make every country sound dangerous. Anything can happen anywhere and taking proper precautions and keeping a low public profile is essential in any country you visit.

Here are some general cultural tips to keep in mind in Ecuador:

-Conversations take place at a much closer physical distance and involve more physical contact than what we’re used to in the states. Ecuadorians are very friendly and affectionate people.
-Stepping back from the person you’re talking to may be interpreted as unfriendly.
-If you’re invited to someone’s home, giving the host flowers, pastries or chocolates will be appreciated (don’t give lilies or marigolds, those are funeral flowers).
-Yawning or pointing at others in public is considered impolite and rude.

The indigenous communities of the Amazon are very proud of their rainforest, as it is their life and home. They will want to show all the tropical plants and take you on hikes through the rainforest. I wish I could remember some of the names of the medicinal plants, they were quite interesting. One day we went on a hike to explore different plants. There was a tree that had these little tiny bugs inside the bark that tasted like lemons. Of course I had to try them, but no one would have been offended if I didn’t. You’ll also have to try “Chicha,” a traditional beverage of the Quichua made of fermented yucca. You might get to try Chicha in it’s different states of fermentation. All I have to say is that it’s definitely an acquired taste but definitely worth tasting.

Unfortunately, I don’t know of any recordings of spoken Quichua. Hopefully someone here might have some ideas.

Do keep me posted on your trip and feel free to email me if you want to talk more about Ecuador or see some of my pictures.

Well, it’s official. I’m definitely going.

After a long period of struggling, the red tape things/semi-irrational grant requirements look like they’re gonna be OK. Which is good, because, for a while, I thought I wasn’t going to get to go, even with the grant award.

And I just bought my plane ticket. Even if something goes wrong with my paperwork or whatever, and I can’t do the ASU program, I’m definitely getting on that plane.

I’m leaving town on June 2, and I won’t be back until September 13. So I’ll be spending a total of 105 days in the country. After a couple of months, I might have to cross the border into Peru or something in order to avoid buying a rather expensive visa (US citizens are limited to 90 days’ stay without the visa. You could get lucky and get an extension in an immigration office, but, according to what the Ecuadorian Consulate guy told me, “the extension is at the discretion of the granting official.” I tend not to be lucky in these things, I find. )

So now I have a little under 3 weeks to do all of the following:

  1. Sell my stuff

  2. Move the stuff I’m not selling to a friend’s place

  3. Straighten out various bureaucratic issues that could prevent me from getting my grant money.

  4. The usual stuff that takes up my time–teaching and research

  5. Other little things that seem trivial, but if you don’t do them, the consequences can be awful. Like, making sure my mail gets held, making sure my course registration gets recognized at my home institution, finding out about whatever bills I’d be getting in June or July and paying them before I go, finding somewhere to leave my car and bike, etc.

Yow! I’m very excited about going to Ecuador, but right now, the stress of getting ready to leave–and of making sure I can go on this program–is giving me a major headache. Only 19 days to go!!

I’ll be spending a little time in Quito during my coursework, some time in the Otovalo region, and a bunch of time in the Upper Rio Napo Valley. I’ve got 4 days before my classwork starts to adjust to Quito’s altitude and to see the city. And I’ve got 19 days to travel independantly after the course is over.

What I’d really love to do is just travel through some of the Amazon river system from Ecuador to the Atlantic Ocean. But I don’t think I have the money for that, unfortunately. Not that travelling the length of the Amazon system really requires all that much cash, but it requires more than I have. And then there’s always the problem of making sure I can come back to the US. Which I’m not sure I’ll be all that eager to do so soon, anyway, so…hmm…let me think about that. :slight_smile:

[quoteI went with a small group of about 6 travelers and we explored most of the country over the course of a month. We basically did a big loop of something like this: Quito - Tena - Amazon - Banos - San Pablo - Riobamba - Cuenca - Guayaquil Machalilla - Otavalo - and back to Quito. I have plenty of pictures that I’d be happy to share with you. [/quote]

That sounds like a really neat trip. I’d love to see your photos.

Yes, though I’m not fluent. I understand spoken and written Spanish really well, and I used to speak and write in it fairly decently, too. I’m a bit rusty, though, and I made the mistake of learning Portuguese. Sometimes I feel like my Portuguese displaced my Spanish. There are times now when I try to speak Spanish, but what comes out of my mouth is almost pure Portuguese! I’ve been told I’ll get my Spanish language facility back after only a week or two in Ecuador. I hope people who say that to me are right.

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How much traveling experience do you have? Have you been to South America? -/quote]

I have some travelling experience, though probably not as much as a lot of Dopers do (even sven comes to mind, here.) And I’ve been to South America before. I spent last summer in Brazil. Six weeks of my stay was taken up with coursework, but I had 8 weeks free (2 before my classes and 6 afterwards) to travel around however I liked. So I did that. :slight_smile:

No, no, no. Not at all. The more specific the recommendations you have, the more they help me. After all, I have to decide what to pack, right?

I’ve got one of those. I got it to go to Brazil with. It’s truly a thing of beauty and comfort when packed correctly. I’ll make sure to bring it this time around, too.

In re: the clothing recommendations:

I have polypropylene and wool long underwear. Will that do, or is there some reason that the long underwear really ought to be silk?

The only bathing suit I have at the moment is the bikini I picked up in Brazil. Should I go with that, or are beach- and pool-goers a bit more modest in Ecuador?

I found in Brazil, Mexico, and the Dominican Republic, dressing well is much more important than it is here. The standard for dressing up for special occasions is higher, too. People seem to interperet looking well-dressed and made-up as a major sign of both self-respect and respect for others. I know that officials in Brazil will simply refuse to deal with people who wear shorts, for example. I also found that, in general, even random people on the street were much nicer when I was dressed up. People in Mexico seem to do themselves up every time they’re even thinking of leaving the house, even if it’s just to pop in at the local diner for a Coke. If I go around looking like my usual student-ey, nerdy gringa self–T-shirt, jeans, no makeup–will people respect me and be willing to interact with me? Should I dress up when I go to get a visa extension?

In the Dominican Republic, there’s no such thing as a woman who doesn’t wear heels. Should I pack a serious pair of tacones altos? How about baggy vs. tight clothing? In the DR, there is not a woman under, say, 60 who would wear a loose-fitting T-shirt anywhere but in her own bedroom. And even then she might prefer something skimpier and tighter. Will I stick out if I have loose-fitting clothing that seems to me to be comfortably modest?

Oh, wow. The jungle is loud. I didn’t expect that. But, now that I think of it, I really probably should have.

I usually bring a pair of earplugs along just so I can sleep through the comings and goings of my dorm-mates in the youth hostels, anyway.

Ooh–that’s a good one, too. I hadn’t thought of that. Thanks.

Yeah, that’s kind of my feeling, too.

Oh, cool!

Those sound really neat. I’ll have to see if I can taste them, too.

Thanks for the tip. I’ll definitely do that.

Hey–are there any other foods you tried there that you particularly liked? Is there fresh acai in Ecuadorian rainforests?

I’d love to talk with you more about Ecuador. Could you tell me some of your stories from your travels there? I feel like I have a ton to learn about the place, but I don’t know where to start asking quesions. And I’d love to see your pictures. Thanks for all your help. If you have any other suggestions, tips, or other pieces of advice, I’d be more than happy to hear them.