Ed, at some point you'll need to quell the rebellion.

[Cervaise]

@raindog

But I’ll throw you this: To any poster in the previous thread who was posting rationally and simply wanted clarification and supported the new rule and just wanted to help in it’s effective implementation, *I apologize. ***
**
All three of you.

Suck douchewater, poodledick.

[mhendo]

@raindog

Mhendo posted a melodramatic tear jerker and vows to post as usual, even if it leads to his (?) banning. Prior to that, Mhendo offered up a summary of his posting history, letting us know that he’s likely to call someone a chunt once every 5000 posts or so. With that torrid history of online abuse, I figure in about March of 2012 or so he won’t be banned, or even warned, but be told “Mhendo, knock it off.” I believe **DSYounfEsq ** (iirc) said it was the most sensible post of the thread, and while I agree with that assessment, they both appear to be oblivious to the fact that Mhendo’s post could have been written by Ed.

Bullshit. Are you deluded?

If Ed really wants things to go on exactly as before, then why was the rule change necessary at all? In fact, Ed has made very clear that he does not want things to go on exactly as before. If the rule had be clarified as merely the banning of the word “cunt” in reference to other posters, you might have a scintilla of a point, but the precise issue here is that the rule is as clear as mud, and for that reason only people like you, who have nothing but mud between the ears, are claiming to understand it.

Can you get it through your thick skull that saying “Things really need to change around here, so we are instituting new rules” and then saying “We don’t think the new rules will really change anything” is completely contradictory?

@raindog

Assuming Mhendo’s telling the truth, Mhendo is exactly the type of poster that should be carrying on business as usual—exactly the type of poster that Ed and Dex have gone out of their way to say won’t be affected by this simple, sensible, minor rule change.

And yet it seems pretty clear to me that if i post as i have posted previously, i will, in fact, run afoul of the new rules before too long. And that’s leaving aside the whole issue of the word “cunt.”

I’ve called three different people “fucking moron” in the fairly recent past. Does that qualify as abusive, in your reading of Ed’s rules? If it does, then it seems that i won’t be around very long, despite your argument that i should be “carrying on business as usual” and “won’t be affected.” And if calling someone a “fucking moron” does NOT qualify as abusive, then the rule has no meaning and is completely pointless. Do you really think there is any possible context or scenario where calling someone a “fucking moron” would not be considered abusive? If you do, then you’re a fucking moron.

@raindog

Enough is enough. The “we need a place to vent” theme was always a non-starter. Still Ed and Dex have gone out of their way to say that the spirit of The Pit----the ability to be insulting, to be raucous, to use profanity, and to flame will remain. *Only the most juvenile, vile, witless and stupid abuse *needs to stop.

And yet your presence in this thread is evidence that, as long as it’s not abuse, the most juvenile, vile, and stupid drivel will be tolerated without a problem.

@raindog

And yet post after post has responded to this simple, minor rule change as akin to tearing up the First Amendment. This childish, petulant behavior is beyond the pale. It’s time to grow up.

Yeah, and you’re the one to tell us. Witless asshole.

@raindog

Ed, make it 400 pesos: You’ve built a nice franchise. (but I suspect you’re having a hard time trying to figure out how to monetize it) It looks to me that you have tried to be considerate to your “customers”. (some of which haven’t cared enough to pony up 15 bucks before starting their crying)

Actually, i made quite clear in the other thread that, if Ed would stop fucking with the place, i’d be happy to give up my Charter Member status and cough up 30 bucks a year to contribute to its financial health.

Not only that, but back in the dim, distant days before pay-to-post was introduced, there were plenty of people offering to donate to the SDMB to help cover running costs.

@raindog

But it’s clear to me that they will continue to piss and moan and cry and accuse and berate----not until you answer them (as you already have)-----but until you give them the answer they want.

You’ve let them “vent.” (a euphemism for acting like spoiled children) At some point the discussion needs to be over and we need to get back to life. Make your decision(s). Lock the threads. Let’s go through the learning/transition process, including the inevitable sacrificial bannings.

Why don’t you fucking leave, asshole?

@raindog

On the other side of this, the miscreants will be gone, and the board will actually be more creative, more vibrant, more intelligent—and no less raucous, or funny.

If you go, it certainly will.

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

@Frodo

And now, we can not have a good post like that, do you undertand now why we protest?.

@Cervaise

Suck douchewater, poodledick.

Well, there’s your answer: Cervaise says, “fuck it, I’ll post whatever I want anyway.”

[VinylTurnip]

@mswas

Am I the only person who has been completely unaffected by the rules change? Outside of reading threads about the rules change of course.

First they came for the “fuck you” posters, and you remained unaffected, because you don’t say “fuck you”…

[Frodo]

@Really_Not_All_That_Bright

Well, there’s your answer: Cervaise says, “fuck it, I’ll post whatever I want anyway.”

Cervaise did not post what he wanted i think.

However, I think a good idea would be to do just that, post whatever we want and dont give a flying fuck about rule #2

[Gangster_Octopus]

Are people upset because they won’t be able to say what they want or because they don’t know if what they say will get them in trouble. I mean if the rule was crystal clear and said you cannot say, “fuck you” then folks would be fine and say, “OK, I won’t say that”. Or are folks be in an uproar because the can’t say “fuck you” anymore.

[Frodo]

@Gangster_Octopus

Are people upset because they won’t be able to say what they want or because they don’t know if what they say will get them in trouble. I mean if the rule was crystal clear and said you cannot say, “fuck you” then folks would be fine and say, “OK, I won’t say that”. Or are folks be in an uproar because the can’t say “fuck you” anymore.

Mostly what upsets me is the limitation to the freedom to say anything i want in the pit, however if it was limited to simply “fuck you”, i’ll consider it stupid but would not be so upset.

The current rule #2 is so vague that, in practice, it forbids a lot more than simply saying “fuck you”.

[Guinastasia]

@Gangster_Octopus

Are people upset because they won’t be able to say what they want or because they don’t know if what they say will get them in trouble. I mean if the rule was crystal clear and said you cannot say, “fuck you” then folks would be fine and say, “OK, I won’t say that”. Or are folks be in an uproar because the can’t say “fuck you” anymore.

An example: At one point, someone asked if “go to hell asshole” would be permissable. Ed said no. Then someone DID call someone an asshole in a Pit thread later, it was reported, and Ed said it was okay.

Da’hell?
But apparently now, trolling IS allowed, if the OP is anything to go by. Because that’s exactly what this is. “Ha ha!!! I’m being a total ##@Q%# and you guys can’t call me on it!!!”-in disguise.

[An_Arky]

Waaah, teacher, all the other kids are being mean! Tell them to stop!

Well, teacher can’t find his ass with both hands and a GPS, much less quell the rebellion, whatever that means, so just leave your apple on the desk and get on with it.

[mhendo]

@Gangster_Octopus

Are people upset because they won’t be able to say what they want or because they don’t know if what they say will get them in trouble. I mean if the rule was crystal clear and said you cannot say, “fuck you” then folks would be fine and say, “OK, I won’t say that”. Or are folks be in an uproar because the can’t say “fuck you” anymore.

First, let me get one thing right out of the way, for the benefit of morons like the OP: i’m not going to the barricades over the word “cunt.” It’s clear that it is one word that is unequivocally unacceptable when used about another Doper, in the new rules. Fine. I don’t need it; i can live without it; although i do think it’s sort of funny that the instances of its use on these Boards have escalated beyond any previous level since the new rule took effect.

Anyay, at the moment, for me it’s a combination of:

a) the fact that the new rule #2 attempts to solve what i see as a non-existent problem

and

b) the complete lack of clarity about what the rule actually is.

Here’s Ed’s most recent “clarification”:

@Ed_Zotti

The question here is whether you can call someone a cunt by proxy: “X [some offboard person] is a cunt, and you are like X.” The answer obviously is no. On the other hand, the Pit being what it is, it’s not like this is an insta-ban offense. We’ll just tell you to stop. If you keep it up, eventually you’ll get warned.

On a related subject, I realize as examples come up that mostly what I’m trying to get rid of is insults of a sexual or unusually graphic nature. Comments like “you ignorant asshole” and “you’re a bitch,” while a bit crude, don’t seem worth objecting to. “Fuck you, asshole,” on the other hand, will get you a note. Looking through the exchange above, I’d also have to say you shouldn’t call someone a dick. You can call them smarmy or supercilious or any of about fifty thousand other derogatory adjectives, though.

Talk about precision!

[Loach]

raindog you fucking troll. Assume I have called you every naughty word in the English language except cunt.

[Baldwin]

Raindog, stop being a lying sack of shit. It makes people lose respect for you.

[Oredigger77]

Who knew it was possibly to simultaneously have your head up your ass and your nose in a different ass? Well, I guess you do learn something new every day.

[Discordia]

@Baldwin

Raindog, stop being a lying sack of shit. It makes people lose respect for you.

Wait, are you implying anyone ever had respect for raindog?

[MovieMogul]

@mswas

Am I the only person who has been completely unaffected by the rules change? Outside of reading threads about the rules change of course.

I guess I’d have to say I am, too. Having read the rules, I didn’t notice what was different from before. I don’t inhabit the Pit very often, so that might have something to do with it, but I’m still a bit perplexed by both sides of the “issue.”

However, I did recently get a personal PM inviting me to a “Splinter Board”–which mostly surprised me because I didn’t think all that many people even know who I am around here! :eek::o

[El_Cid_Viscoso]

@raindog

No they haven’t. You’re my first.

Can I bite you once, and we’ll see how that goes?

Just be careful. From what I hear Guin can eat a dog’s ear through a picket fence.

Your OP has all but made a convert out of me. I still object to the stripping of privileges, any privileges. I can deal with that though. Keep up the good work.

[Orbifold]

@raindog

This childish, petulant behavior is beyond the pale. It’s time to grow up.
[…]
(some of which haven’t cared enough to pony up 15 bucks before starting their crying)

@raindog

I must run. I suspect I’m one of the few who will contribute to this thread who’s actually employed.

@raindog

But I’ll throw you this: To any poster in the previous thread who was posting rationally and simply wanted clarification and supported the new rule and just wanted to help in it’s effective implementation, *I apologize. ***
**
All three of you.

@raindog

Shut about it already, is right.

This illustrates the point I was trying to make in the other thread. Demanding “civil” language doesn’t make the assholes go away. And sometimes, the appropriate response to a civil, indecent poster is an uncivil response.

[Claptree]

@ArchiveGuy

However, I did recently get a personal PM inviting me to a “Splinter Board”–which mostly surprised me because I didn’t think all that many people even know who I am around here! :eek::o

/points

Splitter!

[Heffalump_and_Roo]

@Orbifold

This illustrates the point I was trying to make in the other thread. Demanding “civil” language doesn’t make the assholes go away. And sometimes, the appropriate response to a civil, indecent poster is an uncivil response.

This is my point as well. . . without any of the words used above that are disallowed, of course.

@mswas

Am I the only person who has been completely unaffected by the rules change? Outside of reading threads about the rules change of course.

You seem to think that the whole thing is about words. Having read many of your posts and the ruling below, I wouldn’t be as certain as you. YM(obviously)V.

And that’s what some of it is about. . . the ability to know within reason what’s allowed.

@Ed_Zotti

One is sexual and one isn’t. I was trying to limit the Bad Words list to a small number. If you’d rather, though, we can include the whole laundry list of words like asshole, bitch, shithead, and so on. Other than not having a rule at all, I’m open to different ways to do this. Maybe we should just have a list of Bad Words you can’t direct at another poster, while of course retaining a rule against unspecified “hateful remarks,” to cover the rare case of one of those comments that makes you gasp but doesn’t use any of the proscribed words. How’s that?

[Baldwin]

They came for the asshats and I did nothing, because I wasn’t an asshat. . .

(Okay, I’m part asshat on my father’s side.)