I’d like to thank you for the action you’ve taken. You have faithfully followed Ed’s directive. Up till now, despite the efforts of several posters here in this thread including Sapo to keep the threat/death wish issue alive as unresolved, it appeared that no one else cared. You have now officially resurrected it for review, and given the indefinite nature of the suspension, I expect we will get some official pronouncement.
I don’t think we could ask for more.
C_K_Dexter_Haven:
My understanding is that this is an acronym for “fuck off and die.” I quote from the Registration Agreement:
You are free to express your views in a forceful manner provided you remain civil. Hate speech, insults, and purposely inflammatory remarks (i.e., trolling) will not be tolerated. Do not post threats or state or imply that any individual or group is deserving of harm. We recognize that this rule cannot be strictly applied in discussions of war, capital punishment and the like but urge users to express themselves in moderate terms nonetheless. If we tell you to refrain from behavior that we regard as uncivil, do so or face revocation of your posting privileges.
Sapo: I do not understand in any sense how telling someone to fuck off and die is not implying that they are deserving of harm. This, taken in context with your promise to be as disruptive and jerkish as you can be, seems a clear violation of our rules.
I realize that others may feel differently, so I am buying some time-out time. I am suspending your posting privileges, pending discussion amongst the moderators.
(fixed quote mine)
May you get a very a nasty paper cut that really stings.
I await my banning.:rolleyes:
Suse
February 14, 2009, 5:51pm
344
The mods (and Ed) are human and they definitely screw up at times. But I don’t think they made a mistake this time; Sapo was clearly asking for it.
Muffin
February 14, 2009, 5:56pm
345
Yes, he was. The question, however, is was he suspended for being a jerk, or was he suspended for making a threat?
If he was suspended for being a jerk, then the reason given should not have been that he made a threat.
If he was suspended for making a threat, then that is no more than zero tolerance of non-threatening expressions that use the words of a threat.
Lynn_Bodoni:
I coulda sworn that I posted a response to this a couple of minutes earlier.
Anyway, yeah, I missed the first insult. I have no further knowledge of this incident since the last time I posted. I suggest emailing all of GD’s mods and getting a discussion going with them. Send one email, with all the mods copied, so they can reply to all. I couldn’t mod GD if I tried, because I’d be too busy holding a damp wet washcloth to my forehead. The rules in GD are a bit different than they are in other forums.
If an administrator isn’t bothered by the practice of ignoring “report bad posts” by mods, I fail to see what I can accomplish by your suggestion.
You do realize that you are in violation of the rule the specifies you must not flame a mod in a pit thread where the controversial mod action has taken place. Its okay though to start a new thread.
Suse
February 14, 2009, 6:16pm
348
Muffin:
Yes, he was. The question, however, is was he suspended for being a jerk, or was he suspended for making a threat?
If he was suspended for being a jerk, then the reason given should not have been that he made a threat.
If he was suspended for making a threat, then that is no more than zero tolerance of non-threatening expressions that use the words of a threat.
The link Q.E.D posted earlier seems to apply here. The phrase most likely would be tolerated except in cases where the poster is deliberately being provocative. I suppose you could say it was for both being a jerk and making a threat.
Q.E.D
February 14, 2009, 6:19pm
349
Dex is not a Pit mod; also he’s occasionally a whiny, butthurt pussy.
Interesting. I was unaware.
Citizen I thank you for your service, and I’ll endeavor to consult an official SD rules lawyer before any more posting.
PS: not the only one.
No post stands in isolation; Sapo ’s comment stands as the final straw that overflowed the cup. I thought a time out was called for. This is not (yet) a banning, this is buying some breathing space for the moderators to discuss this situation.
There are limits of tolerance, even in the Pit. Calling this a “zero-tolerance” policy is pretty stupid. However, thinking that the Pit forum is a place where anything and everything is tolerated is also pretty stupid.
Muffin
February 14, 2009, 7:16pm
353
So which is it – a jerkish comment that overflowed the cup, or an honest to god statement intended to intimidate?
Q.E.D
February 14, 2009, 7:23pm
354
I’m sorry, but this is retarded. How would Sapo ’s continuing to post in any way impede mod discussions via email or the Sooper Sekrit Mode Forum? Either he’ll behave himself or he’ll give you more rope with which to hang him (NOTE: Figure of speech; not a wish of death or a threat of any sort!) Suspending him at this point accomplishes nothing save reinforcing his already-negative opinion of the staff.
Here’s a list of Sapo’s contributions to his own thread.
Sapo:
I am starting a separate thread so I don’t fall on the new “no talking back” rule from the Lynn fiasco. About this:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10732390&postcount=78
You have got to be kidding me. If you are that desperate to ban me, just go ahead. It is not like you need some semblance of rules to do what you want in your board anyways.
Only a certifiable idiot would read my post as a threat of any kind. Anyone with a functioning neuron could understand that I meant that if Colibri tried to gotcha-ya me with his stupid stupid “You confessed to playing games” bit I would laugh at his ass so hard that even his mother would deny him.
So if you are sphinctering so hard at the thought of me doing something you can pass as a bannable offense, spare yourself the drama and be done with it before you make more of a fool of yourself.
Jesus, Mary and Joseph, I can believe there is people this stupid.
Sapo:
For the record, my dislike for Colibri is mostly for show, and I hope/believe that the feeling is mutual.
I did actually like him as a poster, which is a rare thing for me since I barely remember who is who here or elsewhere. I have a not perfectly positive impression of his moderation style, but hardly the stuff you could make a telenovela from.
I post in GQ a lot and if he wanted to get on my case, I am sure he could with little effort. The fact that he doesn’t tells me that he just feels no need to make a lifestyle of disliking me, just as I don’t for him.
Although I am not saying that Ed is making shit up, the only indication of Colibri’s anguish at my post comes from the mouth of Ed. Colibri’s own response gives absolutely no indication that he made anything of it.
I do feel like Colibri pops up with more than average frequency with what I think are drive-by attacks on me, but I just take them to be him picking the low hanging fruit. I don’t take them to mean that he has a hard on for me.
So I will say that it is not we dislike each other, just that we don’t like each other (which I realize is what **What Exit? **said, but just making the clarification in case someone reads it the other way)
Sapo:
It is part of the latest shitstorm. If you are modded in the Pit and you want to grill the mod for it, you cannot do it in the thread where you were modded. You need to start your own thread. It actually makes some sense, except that it results in this kind of lame threads that are some sort of a two-click rule for talking back to the mods.
Sapo:
Actually, more interesting than an official response which, as I said, would make no practical difference, I would like to hear from Colibri.
Colibri, did you or did you not cry uncle? Were you really “taken aback” by my “threat”? If you did, why did you pop two days later to play it cool like nothing happened? If you didn’t, why is Ed saying you did and why are you letting him get away with ridiculing you like that?
Sapo:
It is, to me, a fair question and the only untied end on the whole thing. Colibri’s reaction to my “threat” was that of someone who took it not as a threat but as a joke. Then comes Ed saying he was crying in a corner and Colibri was never to be heard again.
I want to know if Ed was making shit up or not. A quite relevant fact, in my opinion.
Sapo:
Moral victory? No such thing. This is not something for anyone to win or lose. If it were, Ed should have taken the moral victory when Colibri laughed at the face of danger making a joke of my grievous threat.
Seeing me crushed by that should have been more than enough for moral victories. Still, he decided to bellyflop in the shitpool and make an idiot of himself doing what nobody wants him to do. How is that for stirring up shit? Making a production of what was a resolved encounter.
I don’t care if his little mind still thinks that he did the right thing or not. I don’t care if he sees the signs of how his fumbling around is dragging this place down. In the end, I won’t even care when he finally does drag the place down.
What I do care to know is whether Ed’s statement about Colibri being devastated by my imagined threat is true or not. As I have said, I do have respect for Colibri, and the Colibri I know is the one that says “you are good for chuckle”, which is the Colibri we all saw. Ed says something that just doesn’t fit with either my mental image or with the evidence and I want to know if what he is saying is true or not.
Ed might be a shitstain in all so many different ways but this is, to me at least, a new theme of his shitstainery. Inquiring minds must know if we are in the presence of something new.
Of course Ed and Colibri are free to continue weaseling out of this one. It is not like decency and moral rectitude are requirements for internet life. Not only that, but it is SOP for TPTB at the sdmb. Fucking up and hiding it out are the bread and butter of the admins here. Still, by being a persistent asshole, I just make sure that they cannot later claim that they thought this was an “asked and answered” and that nobody expected anything more.
So I will make it clear once more: I don’t care to hear Ed saying whether he thinks his moderation was correct or not. I don’t care to have the warning rescinded or ratified. I don’t care about popular support for either side of the matter.
I would like to hear Colibri say whether he seriously took my post as a threat or not .
I don’t even care to hear him explain the logical follow ups to either response. Why did he try to make it a joke if he took it seriously or why did he let Ed say he did if he did not. I just want to know his honest interpretation of my post. That’s it. I won’t consider it victory or defeat in any case.
Sapo:
Oh well, acquitted on a technicality, I am sure the moral high road passes over there too.
ETA: Plus, I don’t think it is me they need to respond to. They need to respond to all those who have always supported them and now were surprised by their actions. The people they let down, that is. Not me, I am just a monster.
Sapo:
I’l give you this, Colibri , sometimes you’re good for a chuckle.
(and I reserve the right to be horribly offended by all this if it ever suits my needs)
In consideration to my new perspective on you, please allow me to change my original post to:
And although I don’t want to go TLDR with this, I want to highlight my favorite part:
Let me know how that’s working out for you.
Cheers*
*I swear this doesn’t mean anything dirty in Spanish
For the remainder of the audience, and although I think/hope the clarification is completely unnecessary, I want to make clear that despite Colibri’s desperate pawing for the moral upper hand, there was never any form of sexual connotation to my use of “butthurt”.
It will come as no surprise that I say this since Colibri was already clever enough to preempt me with “Sapo no doubt will claim he meant something else”.
Colibri no doubt will quickly come with quotes that prove how I have used concealed Spanish insults before or even homophobic speech.
Sapo:
FTR, I am Venezuelan. I moved to Puerto Rico only a few years ago, after a long stay in FL.
I am not sure Colibri was making any implications on my name. Other than saying that it means “toad” which it does.
I don’t think there is a good translation of butthurt into Spanish (or even a bad one). The idea is simply not there. There are many good terms for what butthurt means, and many good terms for homophobic slams but none of those would translate to butthurt. “Culodolido” has a funny ring to it but nobody would know what you are talking about.
In line to “a tomar por el culo” (an expression that I never understood but always found hilarious), Venezuelan males use “marico” all the time in a way not different to how Americans use “dude”, even if the dictionary will tell you that it is a derogatory term for “gay”. “Marico, pasame la sal” is perfectly acceptable at the dinner table as long as grandma is not around.
Anyways, my apologies for fighting ignorance in a perfectly good pile on.
Sapo:
No offense taken. I am married to one and father of two. Happy to be here.
And yes, coquis are most definitely the Puerto Rican icon to the world. My choice of Sapo as a handle had nothing to do with it, though (the explanation for that is complicated and boring even to me, so I won’t bother you with it).
Sapo:
Yes, and we would say “coño que tengo este racimo de uvas que las arrastro”.
ETA: Now seriously. One would say “me duele el culo” (my butt hurts). Would you (in English) tell the doctor you are butthurt? I would say that my butt hurts, not that I am butthurt. (ditto for any other body part, of course)
Sapo:
You need a new internet.
Sapo:
Don’t be so quick with those smilies interpretations. Some are more obvious than others.
For example, the untrained eye might perceive
Them be the stuff of machete dances in some regions.
Sapo:
You know, just because he is being all chickenshit about it, doesn’t mean that he didn’t learn the lesson. So he is not man enough to come in and apologize for the size 14 in his mouth, big deal. As long as he learned that the Pit is not a good place for him to practice his micromanagement skills and leaves it alone, everybody wins.
Let sleeping dogs lie.
Sapo:
Yeah, my point precisely with “let sleeping dogs lie”.
I am done with the original purpose of this thread. This doesn’t mean, however, that you cannot still squeeze some weird stuff from it like the Assperanto-ethnic slur nugget we just had. Threads have lives of their own.
Sapo:
God forbid this lunacy, but I have to agree with the mods on this one. They just cannot post here without being either “circling the wagons” or “stepping on each other’s hoses”.
Coming here to slam Colibri would be in very poor taste from them.
That said, being bored and keeping quiet about this should not be an option for either Colibri or Ed. Colibri already proved that you have to be careful about digging yourself even deeper. Think before you post keeps being a reasonable tip for these messes. Also, seeing mods in slap fights is never good. Mods should be brief and pointed when they post as mods. Silence, though, is not briefness to the max and laudable as such.
You may want to point out that 40% of the posts are made by 6 posters (or whatever it was). Read more carefully, though. Those are the joke sections skewing the numbers. The fact is that a lot of un usual suspects have turned up for this one. The bulk of the criticism towards Ed and Colibri and their poor decisions and now absence have come from people who normally side with them.
Ed specially, should note that his silence has not been well seen by many who use to respect him. It may suck for him to think that by responding he is somehow sullying himself with me, but that is what is expected of him.
I, for my part, don’t care much for his response for the reasons I have already mentioned here (or on the other thread). His silence is no skin off my back. It does reflect poorly on him, though. I appreciate he doesn’t want to do a Colibri and make a fool of himself with a half baked response, but a week and hundreds of posts should be more than enough for him to have a final thought on this one.
Sapo:
This thread just won’t die.
Zoe, if you are seriously concerned about that, send Tom a PM or something. I really doubt he will see your comment here.
Sapo:
Knife fight!
Sapo:
:rolleyes: FOAD
ThIs happens to be Sapo’s pit thread after all, the tone and content consistent with pit threads and as such I see very little to support the claim that Sapo was being a jerk.
Antagonizing the staff, or pointing out the horrific inconsistencies?
I think most of the complaints about the staff here are pretty petty, but lately (starting with Ed “Corky” Zotti’s fear of mopping the floor with asses) some of the warnings have been ridiculous.
Since “FOAD” is now considered a threat, I would expect that Dex is right now using the notoriously slow search function to search “FOAD” and “DIAF” so he can hand out warnings to everyone who has been saying it.
I’m sure he wouldn’t want to look like an overly puckered asshole who is just looking for a reason to bounce someone who has criticized the administration.
Will his massive warning post be in the ATMB or here in the Pit?
Well, I did it. I read it all. I am nonplussed and somewhat weary.
I’m going to Walmart.
Muffin
February 14, 2009, 10:07pm
358
Sleeps_With_Butterflies:
Antagonizing the staff, or pointing out the horrific inconsistencies?
I think most of the complaints about the staff here are pretty petty, but lately (starting with Ed “Corky” Zotti’s fear of mopping the floor with asses) some of the warnings have been ridiculous.
Since “FOAD” is now considered a threat, I would expect that Dex is right now using the notoriously slow search function to search “FOAD” and “DIAF” so he can hand out warnings to everyone who has been saying it.
I’m sure he wouldn’t want to look like an overly puckered asshole who is just looking for a reason to bounce someone who has criticized the administration.
Will his massive warning post be in the ATMB or here in the Pit?
Nah, I don’t buy that. I think the mods and Ed are doing the very best they can with the very best of intentions to maintain the best general discussion board on the net. I just think that the direction taken in the pit’s moderation has become unfocused and irratic, particularly with regards to fettering marginally intimidating but in reality non-threating statements, such as Sapo’s “mop the floor with your butt” and “FOAD” posts, and they are using these as justifications for sanctionning, rather than simply taking the bull by the horns on the issue of whether or not a poster is being a jerk, and in this instance, whether the incessant harping by Sapo constituted being a jerk or not.
If they didn’t like his harping, they could have simply closed his pit threat and told him to lay off, but instead they went the imaginary threat route. I think that was a mistake. A well intentioned mistake, but a mistake nonetheless.
See, FOAD is an acronym standing for Fuck Off and Die, but it doesn’t mean “copulate somewhere else and die.” What it means is, “You are annoying me. Go away and disappear from my radar.”
I have no position on banning anyone and am generally uninterested in SDMB politics. I come here to learn and relax.
Rather than having Rules for which there are sanctions, though, a better model would be to simply ban anyone at the discretion of the Moderators and not try to pretend a Rule had been violated.
Have a set of guidelines. The last one should be: The SDMB occasionally bans posters without explanation.
Pretending a “no-threat” rule was violated by use of the term FOAD is both ignorant and comical.
Chief_Pedant:
See, FOAD is an acronym standing for Fuck Off and Die, but it doesn’t mean “copulate somewhere else and die.” What it means is, “You are annoying me. Go away and disappear from my radar.”
I have no position on banning anyone and am generally uninterested in SDMB politics. I come here to learn and relax.
Rather than having Rules for which there are sanctions, though, a better model would be to simply ban anyone at the discretion of the Moderators and not try to pretend a Rule had been violated.
Have a set of guidelines. The last one should be: The SDMB occasionally bans posters without explanation.
Pretending a “no-threat” rule was violated by use of the term FOAD is both ignorant and comical.
Lets play ban Russian roulette.
get a 6 sided die, roll it and post based on what you get:
1 = FOAD