Ed, WTF?

Fine, but under the Slapo Bank Initiative (SBI), we will only be able to communicate in threats:

Somehow, I don’t see that fostering effective communication.

“When’s the Dopefest?”

“Thursday at 7:30.”

“Great! I’ll see you all there!”

Will become:

“If I’m not invited to this party, I will kill all of you.”

“Fine, but you’d better show up at 7:30 on Thursday, or I’ll be forced to cut off your daughter’s ear.”

“I’ll shove the chicken and the waffle down your throat until you spit blood all over it, you son of a bitch!”

I don’t see that being a positive step for the Board.

Hostile Dialect,
Hostile Dialect, Narcissist

That’s because you lack vision.

No, but he will lack vision if I have to gouge his eyes out.

Once I neglected to get eye insurance, then went to a party and stumbled into my hotel room late at night and fell on my glasses laid on the bed. I was forced to purchase new ones the next week.

I paid for my lack of vision.

I don’t understand the Slapo Bank Initiative, so I will have to kill you all. The only solution, really.

er, that wasn’t a threat.

I see no reason to believe that Ed has lied about any of this, despite his feelings towards Sapo. Ed doesn’t really need an excuse to ban Sapo (it’s his sandbox after all), and (to me at least) he’s too ethical to lie, especially about stupid shit like this.

Much more likely is that Colibri is a precious 7 yr old little girl whose “fweelings” were hurt by the big, mean Sapo – and knowing that Ed dislikes him Colibri thought he could push a banning. Instead he becomes the object of much ridicule and hopefully crawls back to GQ where he won’t be so butthurt.

You couldn’t be farther from the truth if you worked at it. But, keep speculating…

(bolding mine)

Sounds like a scared widdle girl to me. YMMV of course…

I haven’t responded in part because I was away for most of this weekend, with limited internet availability, and have been fairly busy since coming back. But I mostly haven’t responded because Sapo is very obviously just trying to stir things up, as he usually does, and I don’t feel that I owe him any response. He’s just trying to milk the limelight as long as he can.

Some other people have expressed some interest in my opinion, however, and it is for their benefit I am posting this.

With regard to Sapo’s post that got him the warning, it’s more offensive than it may appear at first sight. Here’s the post:

Sapo starts off with “Butthurt much?”, with the implication that he has fucked me up the ass. This might not seem that bad to an American audience. However, Sapo is latino (as indicated by his very appropriate name, meaning “toad” in Spanish). I myself have lived in Latin America for 18 years. Culturally speaking, these are very much fighting words around here, and Sapo perfectly well knows this. I would not say anything like that in a bar in Panama unless I was deliberately looking to provoke a knife fight. Sapo no doubt will claim he meant something else.

Now “mopping the floor with you sorry ass” may not have been a realistic physical threat, but Sapo certainly chose to frame his entire response in violent terms. He was definitely upping the ante compared to anything I had said to him, and deliberately trying to get in my face. His remarks were both obnoxious and abusive. They were certainly not meant as “friendly banter”; Sapo was genuinely angry about what I said to him. The fact that he is now pretending that this was all a big joke is the oldest trick in the book - say something ugly and then when you get called on it back away and say “Can’t you take a joke?”

Lest there be any mistake, my reply in turn was not meant as friendly banter; it was also hostile. My intent was to express my complete disdain of him. (I’m not sure why he’s claiming it was made “two days later”; his remark was posted in the early AM, after I had gone to bed; mine was posted the same calendar day as his, after I got back from work.)

Ed has expressed his intent of restricting the amount of abuse that moderators have to put up with. When I agreed to be a moderator, I was well aware that taking random crap from pinheads came with the territory. Those who are familiar with me know I’m not particularly thin-skinned. But being abused in the Pit has never been my favorite part of the job. If Ed wants to make our job as moderators a little bit easier, that’s fine by me.

With regard to my original remarks that set Sapo off, my main intent was to try to embarrass him by pointing out how childish his behavior was. But some people are impervious to embarrassment, and thrive on negative attention. Sapo’s general attitude towards the boards, including the administration, was demonstrated in the post I was responding to. His remark about “playing with a cat with a laser pointer” describes how he behaves with us as well as when he’s teasing a troll.

This is nowhere more clear than in this post in this very thread;

Sapo here indicates he is knowingly baiting me. When he behaves like an asshole to me he is just playing to the crowd, he doesn’t actually mean it. By this admission, Sapo has forfeited any further consideration from me. I know he’s posting dishonestly, and I wash my hands of him.
We now return you to the long running serial, The Persecution and Assassination of the Noble Sapo by the Foul Tyrant Ed Zotti, still in progress.

Thanks Colibri.That sure clears up the issue for me.

Fuck you Sapo. I hope that’s clear enough.

Sorry Colibri, but it really sounds like you can dish it out but you can’t take it.

First of all, you state that “Butthurt much” is “fighting words” which IRL (in the Latin world) would provoke a knife fight? WTF? Here in reality on a frickin message board “Butthurt much” is pretty damn minor league (and lame) in terms of insults.

Second, “mopping the floor with you” was “violent” and “abusive”? But it’s OK for you to be “hostile” and “express complete disdain” for him?

And has been pointed out numerous times, “mopping the floor” was refering to debating. How anyone could imagine that is a violent threat is beyond me. (And frankly, people on this message board have said much worse regarding “kicking one’s ass” in debating.)

Then you admit that you were poking him to try to “embarrass him”. But you expect him to do nothing, or at the very least keep it civil?

Seriously, do you not see how lame this is?

Sorry, but everything you’ve posted suggests otherwise. I think it’s best you stay out of the pit if you think “Butthurt much?” is someone trying to start a knife fight. :rolleyes:

You’re misunderstanding… Apparently it’s only a knife fight if a known *Latino *says it to another person familiar with the term and its connotations.

**Colibri **I’m sorry but I still find several things confusing about this.

  1. You seem to know it wasn’t a threat and was at worst a taunt. **Sapo **was warned for making a threat. I did not know that taunting was now a warnable offense and besides the warning clearly used the word threat.

  2. You made humorous posts in #49 & #57 of the thread.

  3. Then in post 70 you basically told Sapo you were going to bookmark one of his posts to use against him in future threads thus beginning the pissing match between the pair of you.

  4. In post 72 **Sapo **posted “Butthurt much? I look forward to mopping the floor with you sorry ass when you try to make a production of it.” in reply.

  5. You were not acting as a mod but reported the post to **Ed Zotti **who apparently paid extra attention as you are a mod.

Now **Sapo **never picked this fight with you. You actually picked the fight with him. This makes your explanation look foolish. I am sorry, but as someone that does respect you, I have to say this entire episode does not show you in a very good light.

This is an American board and we post in English. While I believe your explanation of the insult being worse than how English speakers would typical take it, I still do not see in your explanation the threat. You are reading a non-standard intent into his words that have a clear and commonly understood meaning on the Internet and this message board.

As to **Sapo **being a shit stirrer, I actually agree. He does seem to enjoy it but I don’t think he ever comes close to trolling and he is hardly among the worse of the board members.

¿Qué? Butthurt is Internet parlance for taking waaaaay too much offense at a joke or mild insult. It’s got nothing whatsoever to do with suggesting one was fucked, up the ass or otherwise.

Just because you can find an internet page that talks about what “butthurt” means in internet parlance, it may have more significance in street speak in Latin America. And, perhaps not the term “butthurt” but the implication. Or didn’t that occur to you?

The meanest lowdown insult would be one that is public yet only recognized by the insultee. Its actually racist. A latino insulting a “latino savy gringo” in latino cultural code in front of other gringos must be particularly galling to the victim as he’ll only look foolish with the appropriate response.

Who gives a shit what it means in Latin America, it’s pretty clear how Sapo was using the term. You can, of course, stretch your imagination and look for the worst possible interpretation in some other language if you wish, but bending over backwards to be offended appears to be a board-wide pastime around here.

Nonsense. QED is correct. “Butthurt” is well known for exactly the way he described it. You’re really reaching here.

Unless you’d like to suggest that we need to know various connotations of all insults in every language?

I think I just blacked out there for a second.