Edgar Cayce

Derleth, I probably should not reply to your post, but I guess I will. My definition of common sense is not the same as yours. Apparently, you see it as a limited perception…maybe the idea that we only believe in what we can see and feel. And faith is what is required to go beyond that.

Sure, that is a “common” definition…like something my mother would tell me. As I stated earlier, my definition is more complex. I would say that your definition is closer to something simple…as in simple conclusion…commonly accepted…or popular opinion.

I define common sense as a form of abstract or deductive reasoning…as in choosing between right and wrong. Nothing simple or common about it. In fact, I would speculate that half of all Americans don’t have an abundance of common sense. By “your” definition, everyone has it.

To me, faith is not the polar opposite, but a product of it. With “my” common sense, we may not solve an elaborate equation, but we can separate fact from fiction. And we can build a foundation for faith.

Maybe there is a better phrase than “common sense” for “my” definition. For “your” definition, I would use the phrase “at first glance”. After extensive study and maybe some inspiration, we can use my common sense to help define matters that a computer cannot.

In fact, “my” common sense tells us that souls do exist. “Your” common sense tells us that money is truly the most important fact of life. Maybe I should quit using the phrase and start saying “after many hours of study, comparative analysis, and deductive reasoning”.

But I do understand your point. One of my goals in writing my book on the meaning of life is to develop an equation that helps establish that common sense is our most important tool in achieving our life purpose. If I were going to limit my beliefs to what I can see and touch, then faith would have no meaning. And faith is the second most important tool we have.

Once we have matured emotionally and mentally, we can embrace spirituality. It starts with common sense, then faith, and then inspiration. The “at first glance” method would be to accept life as it is presented to us by our peers…starting with faith…and bypassing common sense entirely…resulting in false inspiration. I call that brainwashing, which is the accepted method of achieving spirituality.

My quest has always been truth, and common sense helps to weed out the lies.

This makes no sense; apparently we’re using different meanings for the word “faith” as well. In its most common useage, “faith” means believing in spite of a lack of objective evidence for it. If that isn’t how you’re using it, please give us your definition. We’ll just go around in circles if we keep using the same words to mean different things.

soffty: Why is building a foundation for faith a good thing to do? Faith closes your mind and prevents you from accepting new information.

I don’t see how belief in spiritualism can be the result of sound deductive reasoning. I would be interested in the specific chain of premises you consider to be deductive reasoning that could lead to a belief that the soul exists.

Sorry guys…I see no further need to provide more information. Everything is there that is necessary to find your answers. You are free to believe as you wish. The Legos are in a pile in the middle of the room. It is up to you to do the building.

You make an incredible statement, it is up to YOU to bring the proof. Got any?

You did notice what it says at the top of each SDMB page, under “The Straight Dope”, didn’t you? Would you like to make a contribution to the noble cause of fighting ignorance?

How about you pick out the one, most significant reason why you think Cayce is anything other than an ordinary person who spins tall tales? Bring us that one, best example and we can talk about it.

He’s no fun! He fell right over!

How many words does it take? I don’t think you are actually interested in what I am saying. If you were, you would take the initiative on your own. I have provided more than enough information.

Plus, I have made no claims other than life has meaning, and that I have common sense. The rest is just simple math.

This was already done by Chapman, Cleese, Gilliam, Idle, Jones, and Palin. In fact, to get the Word out, they made it into a film for mass distribution.

Why would you want to go over that ground again, when the truth was already widely disseminated back in 1983?

Wise choice. The more you say, the weaker your logic appears.

Muffin, one day I was trying to pop a zit. It wasn’t working out too well, and it swelled up to the extent that I had to use a large sized pair of vice grips. After about an hour with no luck, I got in my truck and drove downtown. I asked passers-by to give me their opinion on what to do. They all told me to get a life.

At that moment, a burning bush fell of a tall building and landed right in front of me. I wasn’t really interested in the darn bush, so I ignored it. Well, as I walked away, I saw a beautiful girl looking at me with a puzzled look. I tried to ignore her as well, but I couldn’t help but stare at her. She also told me to get a life.

By now my zit is about the size of a quarter and I am getting worried. I got back into my truck and drove to a clinic on the corner. After an hour of waiting, I finally saw the doc. He took a close look at the boil and surprisingly asked it what it wanted him to do about the huge growth with the hairy head and the loud mouth.

Right then I knew that I had better get a life. So I ran out of the office and down the street. I found the burning bush and got down on my knees. I broke out in song, and to my surprise, I soon found myself surrounded by a group of people singing with me. They all had huge boils!

That is when I knew that life had meaning. Now the first thing I do each morning is check for zits. I haven’t found one since, but as soon as I do, I know I will again have a chance to find the burning bush before it all turns to ashes. If I can just find it, I am convinced that this time I will be able to put out the fire.

That is when I will be able to stand tall and tell the world…I do have a life!

Well, I’m convinced.

I have investigated Cayce to a considerable extent and found nothing supernatural about him or his work. I am joined in this by others who are more knowledgeable than I about human trickery and human foibles. Your conclusion seems to be different, which is why I asked you to bring us your best example so we can discuss it. If you cannot do this as a minimum, your claim contradicts scientific knowledge and my research and is worthless.

You are free to believe anything you want, but if it is only a belief without evidence, it’s hardly “fighting ignorance”.

I don’t believe life has any meaning, and I am beginning to doubt your common sense. But both subjects are philosophical, not scientific, so they don’t lend themselves readily to hard proof, merely opinion. We should be able to agree on simple math, however.

So what’s the strongest evidence of Cayce’s supernatural powers? Just one teeny example, pretty please?

I’m assuming this is some sort of parable about finding priorities and what’s important in life, right?

Parables are fine but only get one so far. You’re perfectly free to believe in Cayce’s “powers” but understand that when you come to a board such as this one and make claims regarding paranormal events you’re inviting argument and need to be able to provide proof.

Musicat, I cannot help you. It is not my job to satisfy every individual who wants…

It is impossible and without merit to provide “answers”. What makes sense to you is important, and my efforts are not intended to sway any opinions. I am just adding to the stack of opinions, and the reader finds inspiration to pursue their answers.

I am 50 years old, and at this moment in my life, this is who I am. I am ready to commit to something while I was not ready earlier in my life. If I impress someone it will be on their terms. If I don’t, I don’t care. Not because I am short-sighted or have self-imposed limitations…or any other part of what life involves.

Life has meaning when you are ready. Until then, your path is uniquely yours. Follow what makes sense to you, as that my friend, is a part of the meaning of life.

I have no doubt that some will say that my last post was my best. Well, that is a small clue for you.

In a world dominated by prescription drugs and processed foods, how does insight into spirituality have any value? It is all up to you. Life can be a wonderful beautiful existence if we paint our picture that way. Human suffering does not have to be in your artwork.

For me, well, I take on David and Goliath challenges which have to possible chance of success. That is my purpose in life, and I don’t want to burden another with it.

There are two kinds of people…givers and takers. If you are a giver, then you may well be a victim to the takers…which outnumber the givers 20 to 1. Why would someone continue to give?

Answers may be fleeting, and may be a tiny part of the equation. But there is a chance that free will will collide with fate and one day, you may find that your answers are available. My opinion is that life is a matter of timing, and the physical world has a place of importance in the big picture.

That’s fine, to each his own. But please don’t claim you reached that commitment through deductive reasoning. That implies that your belief system has some basis in provable fact, when it is entirely faith based. You cannot justify faith with logic.

I must admit that I have never tried to put out a bush fire by popping a zit, and it never occured to me that such an activity was the meaning of life.

Is this the simple math you were talking about?

Well, if it was a very small fire, or a very large zit I could see it working. But I wouldn’t want to see it working, if you know what I mean. :eek:

And actually the meaning of life is here.

I thought the meaning of life was 42.