I’ll vote for that. My deducting common sense meaning when I was ready says that comes from a better story, too.
Where can I find these studies?
I think that 42 was the answer.
Since an “answer” is not necessarily the same as a “meaning”, I think we should put the question to the Messiah as channeled through SSG Schwartz.
In any event, given that 42 is the answer, what is the question?
Hi Arnold! Here is a link to the Edgar Cayce website. To review his readings, you may have to buy a book or you can buy his complete readings on cd. To learn about the man and his work, you can just read the many articles on him.
I recommend the paperback book (inexpensive) “The Edgar Cayce Companion” by B. Ernest Frejer. I enjoyed another book the most…“Edgar Cayce’s Atlantis” by Dr. Gregory and Lora Little/John Van Auken.
Arnold, as for the studies, I have not reviewed them myself. I quoted from the books I have read. But, the people at his website can provide you with anything you need.
By “studies” we do not mean a strongly biased website. We mean impartial data collected by unbiased observers. Got any of that?
De omnibus dubitandum
Blatantly untrue, unoriginal and possibly indicative of a severe disruption in the logic and reasoning centers of the brain.
I went back through one of my books and noted that I overlooked an important quote from Cayce while he was giving a lecture in 1933…not in his tranced state. He was asked about the source of his readings:
“The experience has come eight or ten times while giving life readings for individuals. I remember nothing of the reading, but have a very vivid impression of the following.”
“I knew my spirit, mind, or soul was separated from my body and that it was seeking information for another. I passed into outer darkness, so dark that it actually hurt-yet there was a stream of light that I knew I must follow, and nothing on either side of the light must detract from my purpose to receive for that other what it was seeking in the way of aid for itself.”
“As I passed along the line of light I became conscious of forms of movement crowding toward the light. Coming to the next plane, I realized that the forms of movement or figures were taking shape as humans…rather the exxaggeration of human desires. Passing a little farther, these forms were gradually lost; still I had the consciousness that they were seeking the light-or more light. Then the figures gradually took form, continually coming toward the light.”
“Finally I passed through a place where individuals appeared much as they do today-men and women-but satisfied with their position (rather than crowding toward the light). The number of individuals in this state of satisfaction continued to grow, and then there were homes and cities where they were content to continue as they were.”
“Still following the light, which grew stronger and stronger, I heard music in the beyond. Then there came a space where all was springtime-all was a-blossom, all was summer. Some were happy, some desired to remain, but many were pressing on and on to the place where they might be greater understanding, more light, more to be gained. Then I reached a place where I was seeking the records of the lives of people that lived in the earth.”
“Don’t ever think that your life isn’y written in the Book of Life! I found it! I have seen it! It is being written; YOU are the writer!”
Cayce said in his readings (under trance) that most of his information came from that book of life (akashic record), which is a record of everything our souls experience in physical form. While some information came from other souls directly, most came from the shared knowledge among the entity which is the entirety of all souls.
So, it is better to read books rather than read posts on a forum. Things don’t get “lost in translation”.
This will probably sound insulting, but the basis for all crack-pottery is self-fulfilling prophesy. In other words, formulate a hypothesis, then make sure that everything you do and say works to that end so you can say, “see, I told you so!”. Your thought processes (as translated to your writing) seem to be never-ending circles of illogic, full of strawman arguments and vague references, that when challenged, are dismissed with more vague allusions and pure fancy.
There is no arguing or discussing things logically with someone that entrenched in his belief systems. But having said that, you don’t seem to be harming anyone or yourself with these beliefs and they seem to make you happy and fulfilled, so go forth and be happy.
Soffty, you seem quite content to continue this thread, quoting from Cayce’s writings, yet you refuse to provide even a single example of anything that constitutes proof that his ramblings are any more than mere dreams.
I can dream, too, but I don’t claim that my fantasies are any more than an output from a partially-functioning mind. Are you repeating Cayce just because you think his writings are pretty, or because you think they provide important insight of some kind?
Do you understand what this forum is for? Do you understand what “fighting ignorance” means?
Or perhaps better to skip both when the topic has been so consistently and completely shown to be indefensibly fictive.
I don’t think I am working toward any agenda, although there certainly seems to be an organized attempt to discredit anything that you guys don’t embrace personally. I started this thread because the original 7 year old post was inaccurate. That is the topic, and I have proved my case.
As far as the content of Cayce’s readings, I have nothing to prove. The proof you desire is in the fact that his entire legacy has been documented like nothing else in its time, and continues to withstand scrutiny. I have gone to great detail in explaining the content, and how I interpret it, just to help promote understanding.
The sense I get is that you want nothing other than to discredit all that exists, and somehow there is a thrill to be obtained this way. Fighting ignorance is exactly what I am doing, and although you have a distaste for anything outside of a laboratoiry, I see no relevance to that concept and the content I am discussing.
Does this website exclude subject matter that exists outside of the lab? I think the problem here is that I am somewhat outside the lines of normality that you guys are used to. Proof is not the issue. No one owes anyone here any proof. If proof is all that matters, then prove Cayce is a fake and life has no meaning.
Yes, I know what is coming. You are going to make excuses and play the copout game, shifting the “burden” away so that you have no responsibility. I think that most topics exist outside of a scientific lab, and I find Cayce to have established one of the most credible legacies of the last 100 years.
Find other topics where someone opened themselves up to public scrutiny their entire life, while pursuing a noble cause with no personal gain, and managed to set standards of excellence and bottom-line results that are impeccable as compared to all that humanly exists. I know of no person in real life who has more effectively established credibility.
I think I can safely say that this website has a ways to go to have a comparable level of credibility. Debunking is great, but how do you debunk credibility that probably goes beyond your own personal credibility, or any you have ever witnessed.
It sounds like you are now disavowing any allegiance to logic or the scientific method, and we are to just accept your belief system on faith, without challenge. Is that correct?
We have no responsibility to prove or disprove your claims. The burden is entirely on you to support your claims with objective evidence. If you cannot do that, then your claims are not valid. That how it works around here.
We don’t have to debunk anything that has no evidence beyond the dreams and imagination of an old man.
While I have made considerable “commitment” to this thread, I find that no one else has made any commitment, yet you go from spending ten minutes of reading to declaring falsehoods. You completely jump to conclusions based on your personal beliefs, while falsely accusing me of actions that never happened. In fact, you accuse me of doing exactly what you are doing. In the psychology books, that is called “mirroring”.
Is there anyone here who has a bit more integrity and can elaborate effectively? I am betting that there is, and it will show at some point. One other thing, if there is not one person who provides some “investment” into the pro side of this issue, and 100% of participants are rallying to the negative side, then that constitutes a lack of integrity…a possible display of ignorance, and a corrupt system.
Maybe the issue should be the credibility of this, or any other website, where people share ideas. Seems to me you are all basking in your glory, while the entire time you circumvent the issue to proclaim your knowledge when it appears you completely miss the point. Let’s shift the focus onto you guys. Show me something that impresses me, and you guys make some points worthy of my attention.
Um…no. Besides, you are one person providing an “investment” into the pro side of this issue. If the rest who’ve posted are on the con side, that hardly implies a lack of integrity, ignorance or a corrupt system. It merely shows that we all disagree. Your implication is that none of us have studied Cayce’s claims to the same degree you have and therefore we’re not entitled to disagree with you. While we may not have read all the same books you have, that doesn’t mean we aren’t informed.
Ok, this should be easy.
What about the original [Report] was inaccurate?
Where, in this thread, have you proven that the [Report] was indeed inaccurate and by what language did you prove it?
People here are perfectly willing to entertain all sorts of non-mainstream claims. But you have to provide something first for us to expend some energy.
What are your claims? Can you state them in easy to understand terms? Can you be precise and unambiguous?
Can you provide some evidence that backs up your claims? So far you’ve told us to buy a book or CD; can you summarize the data that supports your claims and point us to a place we can read the data for ourselves. If we have to buy something to see the data I think most of us will pass.
People make all sorts of vague claims that are impossible to refute. There’s nothing to engage. If you want people to take you seriously then you have to show some data that we can evaluate.
Keep in mind that all the data presented to date about Cayce has been debunked fairly thoroughly. So, if you want to achieve anything there is a bit of a threshold that you’ll have to cross first.
Another interesting reading from Cayce explains the mind. It consists of 3 parts, the conscious mind for the body, the subconscious for the soul, and the superconcious for the astral body.
The conscious mind functions for the physical body, and can be symbolized as a hard form comparatively to the other two. The subconscious functions for the soul, and can be symbolized as liquid. The superconscious functions for the body of souls as a unit, symbolized as vapor or cloudlike.
Cayce said that we are spiritual beings that form an entity together, and we split into souls in order to enter the physical world. We are individuals in physical form, while we can be either separate or united in spiritual form.
How can anyone not find this interesting? Well, I think that if you don’t, you are closed minded and display a blatant need to be more than just pathetic life forms that have no capacity for expanded learning. It is really sad when people have no calling other than to be selfish addicts, which is a very fair description of humanity as a whole.
Who here really thinks that we have no spiritual side? If everything I have done has no value here, then it is sad isn’t it? So tell me, what is important to you? Money? Yes, that’s it huh? Are we taking our pills today?
The original post by David was designed to debunk, which is apparently all you guys do here. He made no attempt to portray Cayce as he was, but instead tried to fit him into a category with psychics. His source was a debunking text. Read David’s post objectively (if anyone here can) rather than for your personal goals.
As I pointed out, all Cayce did was access his subconscious, which is the actual issue. The content of his readings is secondary, and the entire debunking process was focused on a few selective tidbits that were modified to taste. Rather than actually read the books, and see firsthand how impressive Cayce’s ability was, the intent is simply to play games.
Just as all of you are doing, he had an agenda…which was to portray partial truths and manufacture your own truth. You pass over the whole matter, which was his ability. Once you acknowledge the truth of the matter, then you can move on to the readings.
I maintain that no objective person can learn the truth about Cayce and not be affected. It is truly profound, and the problem here is that none of you have encountered anything profound. I am all for debunking, but why do it solely so you can satisfy some personal agenda?
What could possibly be wrong with admitting that you don’t know what you are talking about? I challenge any one person to read the $15 book…Edgar Cayce’s…Atlantis and not find MANY things that will change your life?
Fear is a dominant force in man, and responses based on fear are prevalent here. Try not to be control freaks and go learn something, or do you know it all?
If you want to use Cayce as the basis of your philosophy, fine. That’s all I can glean from that last post since you keep referring to the various forms of mind symbolically. Personally I think it makes no sense even as metaphor. But calm down a bit. You’re starting to read as though you believe you’re the only one with any decent values. Is that what you really want to suggest? That just because we don’t agree with you we don’t value anything but money, or possibly drugs?