eliminating factory farms: impossible or just diffiicult?

Yeah, the Hypertigerisms are getting a little old already.

Hey, Beavis. He said mensuration, and Analemma. uhhh, he-huh, heh-heh…

:smiley:

Agriculture uses 80% of California’s water. It is about 2% of the economy. If water was treated like any other input into the production process (so that its price would rise when there was less supply) the problem would be over.

Interesting alfafa uses more water in CA than pistachios and almonds combined. Rice uses a big chunk as well. That’s right, we grow a swamp crop in dry California. We don’t need desalinization, just simple market pricing.

Nice link. So, because CA grows half the fruits and vegetables consumed in the US, farmers have the legislature by the 'nads, right? Can we blame any of this on vegetarians?

Disclosure : We grow our own grass-fed cattle, which we eat. Do get other meats from the grocery store.

ETA : Not just mouthing off - noticed this in the MJ article :
“Almonds are second from the top, both because it takes a lot of water to produce nuts (a single almond takes a gallon of water) but also because the crunchy snack is in vogue in the United States and abroad.”

We’re probably derailing this thread on factory farming with discussion of the CA water situation (but probably no more than the gibberish being posted by one person upthread). Anyway, there was a thread around here somewhere talking about some of the crops grown in CA, I think almonds and rice, that are big exports. Meaning, the growers benefit from publically-funded water projects, but privatize the profits, and people stateside do not benefit from lower cost and more available produce. I agree, the drought is a human construct as much as a weather phenomena.

Interesting derivation. This explains much. Unfortunately you made a fundamental mistake. As you are undoubtedly aware, 7 is the number of perfection. All your calculations were done in base 10. The secrets of the universe will only be made clear if the numerical calculations are performed in base 7. Otherwise there is the chance that the message will be distorted by our human frailties and biases . Come back when you can show that all of this still holds in base 7, and then we will see what is true.

It’s all Nixon’s fault!

No, really. This time it is his fault.

Back in 1970, food prices climbed to unbelievable heights. This was due to Nixon’s Secretary of Agriculture, Earl Butz, signing a multi-billion dollar deal with the Soviet Union to sell 30+ million bushels of grain. This caused wheat prices to spike which caused farmers, being good economists, to start planting more wheat instead of other crops. The spike in wheat prices caused a spike in the price of bread and milk. There was a general meat shortage and the price of meat spiked along with all other food.

Earl Butz was doing what all Agriculture Secretaries had been doing since the 1930s – doing their best to benefit the farms – mainly small family farms. Nixon liked it because it was helping turn farmers from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party.

However, Nixon started to worry about the 1970 food crisis. Meat was disappearing from the shelves, and the average person was grumbling about the price of food.

Nixon ordered Butz to do whatever it took to produce more food and to drive down the price. Butz changed agriculture rules benefiting larger, more efficient, corporate farms. Butz also got the Universities to work on thinking of meat not as animals, but as a manufactured product. This lead to faster growing chickens that could be ready in 4 weeks instead of 6 to 8 weeks. Pigs with lower cholesterol, less fat, and grew even faster. Techniques were developed to mass produce meat.

By 1972, food prices dropped, and it was not an issue in the 1972 presidential campaign. Since the 1970s, food prices (when adjusted for inflation) have dropped practically every year as farms became bigger and more efficient. People have eaten more meat and they love it.

Can we eliminate factory farming? Sure we could and no one in this country will starve. However, you can expect the price of meat to double or triple. How long in a democratic country will the voters put up with that?

Nixon might have been evil, but he certainly knew the voters.

Work = supply of power
play = demand for power

It’s not working because you are playing.

It’s going to take more than mashing a keyboard to accomplish what you want accomplished.

Look, we’re confused about all this number stuff, perhaps you could help.

Which would drive the California producers out of business, all but the boutique growers. All those crops are grown more cheaply elsewhere, which is why their production is subsidized “for the good of the state/the US/workers/California/BigAgri.”

No subsidies,and no one will pay $30/pound for California almonds no matter how many ads Blue Diamond runs.

Sorry

It’s not my fault you do not comprehend the mathematics that is all around you.

Mathematics is a discovery not an invention.

“The number 777 is significant in various religious and political contexts.”

“The numbers 3 and 7 are considered both “perfect numbers” under Hebrew tradition.”

3 x 7 = 21

37 x 21 = 777

1+2+3+4+5 = 15/5 = 3
5+6+7+8+9 = 35/5 = 7

3+7 = 10/2 = 5

15+35 = 50

A = 1
Z = 26

one = 34
two = 58
three = 56
four = 60
five = 42

34+58+56+60+42 = 250/5 = 50

Five = 42
Six = 52
Seven = 65
eight = 49
nine = 42

42+52+65+49+42 = 250/5 = 50

56 = Three

reverse of 56 is 65

65 = Seven

123456789
987654321

one = 34
two = 58
three = 56

34+58+56 = 148

37 x 4 = 148 x 3 = 444

123+321 = 444

“In Euclidean geometry, a Platonic solid is a regular, convex polyhedron with congruent faces of regular polygons and the same number of faces meeting at each vertex. Five solids meet those criteria, and each is named after its number of faces.”

Tetrahedron (four faces)
Cube or hexahedron (six faces)
Octahedron (eight faces)
Dodecahedron (twelve faces)
Icosahedron (twenty faces)

4 + 6 + 8 + 12 + 20 = 50

Base 7?

In a double rainbow the secondary rainbow has the reverse order

1234567 = obverse
7654321 = reverse

1234567+7654321= 8888888 x 2 = 17777776

He said Tesla, though. That’s the magic name. It has to be right!

56 = Three

reverse of 56 is 65

65 = Seven

56+65 = 121 = Star number

Revelation = 121

“May 1 is the 121st day of the year (122nd in leap years). There are 244 days remaining until the end of the year.”

“The Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, “enlightened”) is a name given to several groups, both real and fictitious. Historically, the name refers to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776.”

English is a high level programing language.

From May 1st to July 4th is 64 days

I = 9
S = 19
R = 18
A = 1
E = 5
L = 12

9+19+18+1+5+12 = 64

Z = 26
I = 9
O = 15
N = 14

26+9+15+14 = 64

“July 4 is the 185th day of the year (186th in leap years) in the Gregorian calendar. There are 180 days remaining until the end of the year.”

“The Aphelion, the point in the year when the Earth is farthest from the Sun, occurs around this date.”

July 4th = 7/4

2 x 37 = 74

reverse of 74 is 47

"The 47th problem of Euclid (called that because Euclid included it in a book of numbered geometry problems) in which the sides are 3, 4, and 5 – all whole numbers – is also known as “the Egyptian string trick.”

47 = 15th prime

6+9 = 15 or 5+5+5

69 x 5 = 345

345+543 = 888 x 2 = 1776

London = 74

2 x 37 = 74

New = 42
York = 49

42+49 = 111

3 x 37 = 111

74+111 = 185

5 x 37 = 185

74+47 = 121 = Star number

I helped to build the Internet…I know how the tool works…I use It as such…

I try to avoid playing with it as a toy.

“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.”–Albert Einstein

Discover magazine April…

“Outsmarting Einstein”

It’s a cry for help.

The scientists have reached the maximum potential point of their religion.

The just think positive (fantasy/lie believed to be Truth) ignore/reject negative (reality/truth) religion.

“In the War of Currents era (sometimes, War of the Currents or Battle of Currents) in the late 1880s, George Westinghouse and Thomas Edison became adversaries due to Edison’s promotion of direct current (DC) for electric power distribution against alternating current (AC) advocated by several European companies and Westinghouse Electric based in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, which had acquired many of the patents by Nikola Tesla.”

Absolute capitalism = the DC principle = antisocialism
Responsible capitalism = The AC principle = socialism

Antisocialists or absolute capitalists employ absolute self indulgent reason to solve the problem of continued existence in the Universe.

They take more power than they give from all and everything in the Universe to sustain existence.

The same as chopping down trees faster than they regrow to sustain existence

When the trees run out at the logical conclusion…eternal death is the result.

It’s why California and Texas have run out of water…consuming water faster than its reproduced.

Socialists or responsible capitalists employ responsible altruistic logic to solve the problem of continued existence in the universe.

They share power as equally as possible with all and everything in the universe to sustain existence.

The same as chopping down trees as fast as or slower than they regrow to sustain existence.

Since the trees never run out…there is no logical conclusion…eternal life is the result.

The DC principle = Antisocial or absolute capitalistic = unbalanced
The AC principle = Social or responsible capitalistic = balanced

The current system you all exist within and depend upon is absolute capitalistic.

It takes more power than it gives to sustain the explosion or exponential growth up to the absolute 1 point until the demand for power becomes greater than the supply of power and then the system polarity shifts from positive to negative and it implodes or exponentially decays down to the absolute 0 point.

The roaring 7 decades is coming to an end.

But AC/DC = Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap…however, it can also equal Let There Be Rock!

That said, Ozzy = Crazy Train

All California food producers (other than boutique)? So 75-80% of the available water will be transferred to urban areas?

You didn’t say that. I’m guessing the first crop in line for elimination would be rice, since it is a water intensive crop with middling value added. Rice is grown in sunny CA only because of subsidized water. I’m not sure about almonds as they are a high value added crop. But yes, it is better if some production shifts elsewhere - to lower cost providers of product.

California combines rich soils with an arid climate. Scarcity pricing of water would prompt some mixture of drip farming, greater use of gray water, shifts in crops and perhaps even abandonment of certain areas. I’m guessing that the last one will be least important: California farmers are rather skilled business people.

It’s going to happen, sooner or later. From what I understand, they are already tapping pretty much every external and internal source they can. They are going to be rationing water formally, I believe, this year since they are critical and they are still in the most severe category of drought over most of the state. I agree that they need to price water wrt it’s true value, and this will shift crops out of the state, since if you factored in water a lot of the cheap products in California wouldn’t be nearly as cheap. Of course, all of this goes for Arizona as well and even New Mexico and parts of Texas.

You forgot to carry the 1.

Id’ love to discuss your theories further, but I don’t want to get this thread off track. Why don’t you start a new thread devoted to your numerological insights or come to this thread we have already prepared for you.

You can’t take three from two,

Two is less than three

So you look at the four in the eights place.

Now that’s really four eights,

So you make it three eights,

Regroup, and you change an eight to eight ones,

And you add them to the two,

And you get one-two base eight,

Which is ten base ten,

And you take away three, that’s seven.

Now instead of four in the eights place

You’ve got three,

'cause you added one,

That is to say, eight, to the two,

But you can’t take seven from three,

So you look at the sixty-fours.

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