It’s strange. Trump made a clumsy and offensive attack on her.
It’s like she fixed that clumsy trap, made it effective and deadly, and then stepped in it.
I rule this one a suicide.
So, the one-drop rule is in effect?
If instead of some South American Indian blood she’d had sub-Saharan African genes in the same proportion, could she call herself black?
I also have family lore about Peruvian native blood of about the same proportion, but calling myself and Indian or even mestizo would be wrong. My kids, through my mother-in-law’s side may be even 1/16th Indian and no way are they Native or Mestizo.
In my thoroughly white, Spanish/Italian descent family we might joke about being Incas, but it’s a joke.
It’s like all those who find some Scandinavian genes in the test fancy themselves mighty Vikings rather than farmers.
Sorry for the double post, but if she didn’t know by know the type of person/politician Trump is, she’s amazingly disconnected from reality.
What the heck are you reading? Nothing in your post has anything to do with this story. She’s not claiming to be an Indian and certainly not a South American Indian.
either that or she got very bad advice and took that bad advice.
What you have here is a failure to understand. You asked me my opinion. Specifically, you said, “I’m curious what you think.” I told you what I thought. I made it clear that it was just my opinion by including phrases like “in my view”. There is no “claim” that I need to “defend” there, all you wild imaginations aside.
Forgetting that Mark Judge had been interviewed by the FBI or mistaking 43% for 38% was a bit more than a misplaced comma.
and now he called Stormy horseface on twitter. Just shows how far out from a normal politician he is. Somehow I don’t see Bush, Obama, Reagan , Carter, etc. saying that in public.
She screwed up. The question is, how bad is the damage?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/politics/elizabeth-warren-donald-trump-pocahontas/index.html
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/opinions/elizabeth-warrens-big-mistake-maltby/index.html
And that is just CNN. I won’t even look at Fox. My Native friends on Facebook are all talking about this, and not positively for Warren (anecdotal, not data note). Not that they are a big demographic (and in North Dakota it is even worse), but it doesn’t help and it will dog her on the campaign trail.
I guess if you ignore that it would have dogged her on the election trail regardless, it seems like some big mistake. But we all know Trump would have been talking about Pocahontas even if she hadn’t done the DNA test.
Dial it back. Do not appear to accuse other posters of lying.
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Sure - but now you have Native Americans talking, and they will be given the microphone. The DNA test makes it look worse, as it shows that she has negligible Native ancestry. When you get negative above-the-fold coverage on CNN plus a couple of opinion pieces calling you out, you should re-think your strategy.
But I am not her campaign consultant.
Releasing these DNA results may have been a political tactical error (in treating Trump’s dishonest and dishonorable attacks with some semblence of legitimacy) – not coordinating with various Native American advocacy groups beforehand in crafting her statement certainly was.
But from a political perspective, it’s far better that she made this mistake before the 2020 campaign starts, if she plans to run, then during that campaign cycle. This gives her time to patch up any hard feelings from Native American advocacy groups, and even if it was a mistake overall, at least it defangs the already dishonest and dishonorable attacks by Trump about her ancestry.
I am surprised that she decided to wrestle with a pig, but it’s her decision to make. I agree that it’s better done now than as part of the campaign. If it was a mistake, it can more easily be put behind her.
Let’s see how much above the fold coverage it gets in 2 years, if she actually runs.
The only way doing a DNA test and releasing the results makes any sense is if she’s planning to run. As the reaction to her releasing the results shows, she is not the right candidate for 2020. IMHO of all the people usually mentioned as potential candidates for the Democratic nomination, I think she’s the only one on the list that I would say is guaranteed to lose to Trump. I’m not saying any of the others would definitely beat him, but as of now, they all have chance. All of them, that is, except Warren. When it comes down to it I think she would remind too many people of Clinton. I’m not opposed to women in general running, and I think, for example, that Kamala Harris, Tammy Duckworth, or even Oprah could possibly beat Trump under the right set of circumstances, but I just don’t see Warren being able to pull off a victory.
The articles I saw said 1/1024. If it could have been 1/64, I stand corrected. Further, I thought she listed “Native American” in an attempt to gain minority status for some grant or college admission years ago. I have no personal stake in this, so I don’t care.
But I do agree with John Mace. Most white Americans have family stories about having “Indian blood” or “Cherokee blood” in the family. I was told the same thing, but Ancestry DNA showed 0%.
I agree that genealogy is mostly harmless fun. However, if you were a U.S. Senator and stated that the blood coursing in your veins contained the same spirit of freedom that John Brown dream of, and it was 0.1%, then I could agree with mocking you for it.
They have genetic tests that can detect spirit of freedom now?
And heck, genetic proportion isn’t necessarily the same thing as portion of ancestry, anyway.
This is the problem. The partisan press have been misrepresenting this story for something like twenty years.
That’s why I’m glad she had the test done. 1/1024 was the low end.
But really, she already had historical documentation of her ancestry. It may not sound like much, but what’s important in the story isn’t the amount, but the heritage. She’s descended from a man who rejected his parents’ bigotry against even one drop of partial Native ancestry to marry a mixed woman.
She’s ending up getting more mockery than benefit by doing this.
Yup, politically at least, it was a mistake.