Yes that very well is discrimination. What “parody” are you speaking of? Ellen DeGeneres is a lesbian. Her ogling a woman’s tits is just as sexual as a straight man doing it.
And as I discussed above in response to other posters-how do Jewish people not have power in America? They have almost 3 times as many Congressmen per capita than the rest of the population, more education and more wealth than the average American. And extreme over-representation in the media-something like half of the big names in Hollywood and the news industry are Jewish compared to just 2 percent of the overall US public.
Why is it OK to make fun of men but not women on the basis of “power”? The majority of people at the very bottom of society-the homeless, prisoners, murder victims, people killed and crippled at work and in war, are men. They vastly outnumber the politicians and CEO’s that have the “power” that feminists speak of. Men are not a collective entity; a CEO being a man does not help 100 homeless men in any way whatsoever. Wealthy men do not share their wealth with other men in general. They share it with their wives, and with their children and other relatives, 50% of whom are female.
BTW, I did not bring up the race/ethnic issue. It was a response to others reciting the leftist dogma about “punching up” against white people.
With regard to the OP’s actual question, I think that had a straight male friend of Perry’s made exactly the same joke in the same context, it would have been less controversial than a lesbian doing so.
I also suspect that whatever criticism this hypothetical straight man did receive would have caused many of the same people who are upset now to rush to defend him from the “PC police”. Quite a few would have thrown in some slut-shaming of Perry for good measure. I believe this would have happened even (or perhaps especially) if Perry had publicly objected to the joke.
Of course, my speculation about what would happen in a counterfactual situation is just that – speculation. But so is everyone else’s.
“Punching up” is fine when generalizing about groups in most cases, but it’s NEVER all right when dealing with individuals. It is perfectly normal for a minority or female to be in a position of advantage over a white male, and if they think it’s okay to give him a hard time they are very wrong and becoming what they supposedly say they hate. Of course most people only hate it when they are the ones on the bottom.
Geez, I’m sorry I mentioned Jews. I only did it because I remembered the Seinfeld episode. Allow me to change my original post:
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It’s OK to make fun of yourself and 'your people". Jeff Foxworthy never got in trouble for his anti-white “you may be a redneck…” bits. John Mulaney is a Catholic comedian and makes fun of Catholics all the time. Black Jeopardy is a whole lot of black stereotypes, done for humorous purpose by black people…
No, my point still stands. If it’s okay to “punch up” at white people on the basis of power and wealth-which is what I was originally responding to-than it should be even more okay to “punch up” at Asians and Jews, according to that logic. But it isn’t.
OK, this is my last response to you, since I find this pretty unpleasant and I’m here to enjoy my time.
Even if Jews or Asians or Catholics or whoever have disproportionate power doesn’t mean they are the most powerful. Do you understand that? However, if you want to start a comedy routine doing “me so solly” and “Jews are so cheap” jokes, go for it.
So, enjoy your self-righteous anger. I’m out of here.
It just shows how complicated that issue is. Yes, Jews and Asians have disproportionate power and wealth, BUT they aren’t the only successful minorities in the world. In the end, real power lies in force if the majority is wiling to use it. The Tutsis found that out the hard way. No matter how downtrodden a majority is, it ALWAYS has the power when aroused, which is why it’s not only not okay to “punch up” at successful minorities, it’s actually dangerous.
Poking fun is fine though, IMO. People need to quit being uptight. It should be okay to make fun of anyone as long as you aren’t mean about it.
You seriously believe young girls haven’t been playfully eyeing and grabbing each other’s boobs long before this photo went into circulation? Get real. What “bad message” is this sending? That goofing around with your friends is immoral? Spare me the pearl clutching.
Ellen doesn’t owe anyone not named Katy Perry an apology, and her absence of an explicit, public declaration of consent in response to this photo doesn’t mean she felt violated and that we’re right to leap to that assumption when the context speaks for itself. Anyone expecting an apology because their sensibilities were offended despite not being the “victim” in this scenario can firmly dislodge the sticks from their asses and get over themselves. It’s a blatant attempt at politicizing a non-event.
Men didn’t give a flying fig about female-on-female assault prior to the recent spate of public male figures being taken down by allegations of sexual assault. If anything, girl-on-girl action of any kind was/is considered hot by the very same men feigning outrage right now who likely don’t ever take the time out of their day to ponder about consent between women. If they were truly concerned about double standards, they wouldn’t choose such an innocuous photo and suspicious timing to raise their hackles over that perceived unfairness. I mean, this isn’t the first time this particular photo has seen the light of day, why did it take so long for people to become offended? There’s an obvious agenda behind all of this “concern” and it has naught to do with wanting to protect women from sexual assault.
No. I don’t know why you’re asking me that question.
The point I was making is that the way the photo was done gives the appearance of Katy not being aware of what Ellen was doing, and then Ellen shared the picture with a juvenile caption. Now, as it happens we now know it was a posed photo and it’s all good.
But in the meantime, it was not a good example to set. While girls playfully grabbing each others boobs or whatever is very common, people being upset by pictures that sexualize or disrespect them is also a common occurrence.
Just so we’re clear: I would say the same thing about, say, a male celeb pointing at a male celeb’s crotch bulge in a photo, where the second guy looks oblivious, and then sharing the pic with a silly caption. It would be in bad taste and sending the wrong message especially at this time.