Sorry, that was directed at dropzone. And let me take the opportunity to add a “:D”.
Yeah, that must be it. Thanks. 
Just a guess, but is it possible that the “wasn’t asked for” references the fact that milroyj did not, in fact, specifically request that anyone (especially Mssr.s Chitwood and Finch) email him with the relevant information? I think that’s him trying to avoid the issue, but then it does look ugly when one says “cite? cite? cite? cite? cite? cite?” like there’s some grand conspiracy to deny one information, then have to sheepishly return and say “Well shucks, looks like I was wrong.”
Strangely enough, though, the Earth has not yet stopped spinning since I typed those words. I wouldn’t worry about you doing the same, milroyj.
Good point. If I had gained even one conservative friend here, I could claim friendship with 25% of the SDMB conservative base. 
I knew you meant me because I know I am funny. A minority opinion, but those who don’t accept it are Philistines.
Heathens, even.
Ahem:
Remember: Looks aren’t everything!
Hey, I’m still waiting for him to answer my questions from back on page 1.
I can almost sympathize with them. Now they know what 1996 felt like!
Yeah, no kidding.
By the way, have you started working on your farewell speech yet? I figure if Bush wins, the likes of us won’t be able to show our faces around here for at least 6 months, maybe longer.
(And I’m not kidding!) 
I truly do not understand the argument being made here.
I mean, I suppose there’s a case to be made that, although Barbara Bush said X, what she really meant was Y. But how in the world can you deny that she said X?
It has been cited again and again and again in this thread that she said X. The television transcript proves it. The UK site proves it. Half a dozen websites on the internet prove it. The Lexis Nexis cite proves it. Going to the library and asking a librarian to log you into Lexis Nexis will prove it. Checking your damn e-mail would prove it. Calling up the ABC newsdesk and asking someone to read you the relevant portion of the transcript will prove it. At this point, Helen Keller would be convinced of the quote’s veracity and yet a few in this thread are not satisfied.
At what point does the burden shift over to the one denying the claim to make the barest of efforts to corroborate the evidence given?
Is it probable, hell, is it even possible, for someone to, at the very least, say “at the moment, I remain unconvinced…BUT, on Tuesday, when the libraries open, I will go to them and check it out for myself.”
Enderw24, what the hell is a reasonable sounding person like you doing here anyway? Please go play in MPSIMS or GQ and leave us the hell alone!
I’m not even going to try to decipher who is asserting what in this thread, and I don’t really care what Barbara Bush did or did not say, but if a poster is claiming that “A LexisNexis cite doesn’t count because you can’t provide a way for me to get to it from a mouse click” that’s just ridiculous. (It seems that LexisNexis articles are available at some public libraries in the USA. At least I remember it was available at my University library.)
That would be like someone saying “Book X from Author Y says this on p. 232, you can look it up in the bookstore or in the library” and the opponent replying “Well that doesn’t count as a cite because I don’t have the book right in front of me.”
Holy shit! I am, as the Brits like to say, gobsmacked.
The utter irrationality of some people just has to be seen to be believed.
Let me ask the following of milroyj, brutus, et al: exactly what is it you find unacceptable about my Lexis/Nexis citation?
A few possibilities occur to me:
**Possibility 1. You simply refuse to accept any citation that cannot be hotlinked on your computer. **
If this is the case, might i introduce you to the concept of the codex, a remarkable device designed many hundreds of years ago that allows many leaves of paper (or, back then, skins or parchment) to be bound together for easy reading. Nowdays, we tend to refer to the codex by the more common name of “book.” The newspaper adopts a similar, although somewhat simplified, form. Much as this might surprise you, the sum total of humanity’s knowledge is not yet posted on the internet.
Possibility 2. You refuse to accept Lexis/Nexis as an acceptable source.
If this is the case, it simply demonstrates your ignorance. Lexis/Nexis is probably the premier archiving and database service for news, both in the United States and internationally. Here’s a summary of Lexis/Nexis’s services:
This service is used by libraries, universities, scholars, law firms, and the media outlets themselves as a reliable record of day-to-day media production around the world. That you apparently define this as an unacceptable source says much about your (lack of) integrity.
Possibility 3. You accept non-linked citations, and you accept that Lexis/Nexis is a reliable source, but you don’t believe that i have quoted accurately.
Well, if this is true then all i can really suggest is that you get yourself to library (you know what that is, right?) and do the search yourself. And if you are accusing me of lying just to support my position, all i can really suggest is that you go and fuck yourself.
Finally, milroyj had been insisting that someone provide a direct link to the ABC transcript. Well, here it is. Of course, you won’t be able to get access to the page unless you are on a computer that has access to the Lexis/Nexis database. But that’s not my problem, fuck-knuckle. I assure you that if you copy the url from that link, and paste it into the browser on a computer that has access to Lexis/Nexis, you will find the transcript in question. Then, you can print it out, roll it tightly, and shove it right up your ass.
Hopefully that’ll break the vacuum keeping his fucking head up there.
Good post mhendo
You did so without basis, and continue to refuse to provide it, while being free with the personal insinuations. Therefore …
If you’re going to accuse me of lying about it, you had better find a way.
It is circumstantial evidence *against * the quote being invented. Got it?
Grow the fuck up and cut the shit. Yes, you certainly have.
The “fact”, you say? Are you prepared to support that it is a fact? You haven’t yet, you know, despite your assertion to have done so based on the volume of contextual support. No, you can’t say after all that it’s a “fact” that the quote is “inaccurate”? Well, then, perhaps it’s time to reconsider your position re what apologies are owed to whom by whom.
I gave one particular cite, and there are many more available for those worth the effort, schmuck. Give us *your * evidence that it’s fabricated, as you’ve asserted here, or shut your weaselly little yap - or are you prepared to “prove” every cite you provide to a standard that milroyj would be satisfied with? No, you wouldn’t? Then go right ahead and fuck off.
From the rest of your post, I would say that you understand the argument being made here, just as well as the rest of us. 
Arnold also described the situation very well.
In a nutshell:
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milroyj requests a cite for Mrs. Bush making the statement in question (the cite must have the context of the statement).
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Someone provides a cite.
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milroyj says (paraphrased): “NO! That’s not a primary source!”
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Someone provides a link to the primary source.
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milroyj says (paraphrased): “I’m not going to pay money to see the primary source. Provide a different cite.”
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Someone provides a different cite.
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Goto 3.
You’re absolutely right, Arnold. Which makes this statement:
all the more frustrating.
In the back of my mind, I am kind of hoping that milroyj and Brutus haven’t actually been posting to this thread; that maybe a pet cat has been walking on their keyboards or something. Because if this is actually their arguments… suggesting they have the intelligence of a pet cat really is flattering.
LilShieste
In that case, they would need this software.
I love the warning message it gives.
Wow. That is great software.
Off on a complete tangent-- I wonder what that software would do on my dad’s computer. He isn’t the greatest of spellers, and sometimes he will hit the spacebar, but it won’t register (and so you’re sometimes left with wordsand sentces thatlook likethis).
LilShieste