Thanks for yet another thoughtful and considered post.
I’d like your opinion of Bobby Charlton. As a self-confessed patriot you must have been very confused when he opened the scoring against Mexico in the 1966 World Cup group stage. Did you wave half a dozen flags in celebration of his goal or did you think ‘what a shower of shite’?
When he scored twice in the semi-final against Portugal did you think ‘what a shower of shite’ or were you glad England reached the final?
I’ll get round to discussing the ‘shower of shite’ who died at Munich later on if you like.
Me thinks you’re taking chowder to seriously there Chez, and lobbing Munich references around is as close to Godwining a football thread as it gets.
Anyway, the Gunners managed to both surprise and disappoint me this year, so given the lack of any trophies i’m going to proclaim that a worthy “double.”
And then, in a beautiful act of symmetry, Stevenage Borough managed to do the same.
I want to know from chowder himself why he thinks Manchester United is a shower of shite and when exactly the club became a shower of shite in his eyes.
I suspect this was before Munich and so the reference is valid. However, let him answer the question about Bobby Charlton first and see where that gets us.
I have a natural antipathy to blind and unreasoned hatred of any kind and that’s what it is with chowder who, I believe, should fight my ignorance and tell me why he feels like he does.
I’m a Manchester City supporter and have been since my late father took me to Maine Road when I was about 8 years old. As a Man City supporter I don’t have to justify to you or to anyone why I think manure are a shower of shite, they just are.
FWIW I think Charlton was an excellent footballer, I was lucky enough to be at Wembley in 1966, Charlton and the rest of the England team were fantastic that never to be forgotten day.
As to your question re Mexico and Portugal. On both occasions Charlton was playing for England not manure, he was representing his country, not that shower of shite from mould trafford.
Questions about Munich will be ignored, they have no place in this thread
You don’t have to justify it but your refusal to do so speaks volumes.
Ditto.
Anyway, to lighten the mood somewhat, let me tell you about a friend who lives in the next village just over the Oxfordshire border. He’s a City supporter (yes, some of them do live down south) and when I shared his delight at the City double over United he recalled the famous Denis Law backheel you mentioned upthread.
He told me about this grudge he still held against Law after all this time because the player refused to celebrate his goal and further declined to participate in any merriment at United’s humiliation at the end of the game. He hates Denis Law for that. How’s that for dedication?
I then asked him how it felt to get knocked out of the FA Cup by a balloon and he hasn’t spoken to me since.
Well I’m relieved that this :ahem: discussion didn’t degenerate into a full blown war
Anyway, I don’t so much refuse to discuss why I feel the way I do about “them”, suffice it to say that as a die hard, cut me and I bleed blue, Colin Bell was Jesus in disguise, City fan it is, as I’m fairly certain you’ll agree, difficult to put into words why I feel the way I do…I just do.
For that matter 99% of City fans feel exactly the same way and I’d go a step further and say that of all the premier clubs manure is the most disliked of them all.
I make no excuses for myself or others, what I will confess to is jealousy…there I’ve said it.
Your remarks about the balloon were below the belt my friend.
BTW I used to deliver mail to Denis and he’s a real nice bloke, allus good for £50 at Christmas
Last I read it said Eriksson was back in limbo again, and Thaksin hasn’t made up his mind yet. If i were him I would tell Shanawatra where he could stuff it.
I was holding out for the Inanimate Carbon Rod but you are making a very persuasive case for the Balloon. As player-manager maybe, slotting in at the back to replace Richard Dunne.
Well it would certainly give you more pace at the back.
Don’t suppose we could intrest you with a 3 for 2 deal on Hoyte, Senderos and Traore could we? Those three have shipped more goals between them this season than Newcastle.
With Sinatra talking to Scolari I’m surprised Sven has done that though, as he could keep saying he wants to stay and extract more money from old Shinny.
Although he can’t be short of a bob or two as he took the FA for a few millions a couple of years ago.
I’ve always quite liked Sven, perhaps his football teams sometimes lack a certain something but his private life is always interesting.
All 3 for Dunne maybe but I really hope City can keep hold of Richards and Johnson. I’d prefer us to keep Dunne as well but we desperately need defensive cover for the centre and right-backs as well as a decent left back. Senderos and Traore tend to do me okay in my Football Manager City teams in the early years before I can either afford or tempt the great players to us.
One player I would not mind losing is Petrov. He’s a great winger and all that but I don’t think he fits well in the Premiership because his half-hearted tracking back would leave the best and the quickest left back exposed, let alone Ball, who is a bit of a journeyman tortoise.
That was absolutely certain in the 90s but I’m not convinced it’s still the case, Arsenal and Chelsea have made up a lot of ground in recent years. Both are generally dirtier and even worse at surrounding referees. Once Ferguson eventually goes I think respect for United will probably increase still further.
I was going to say I’d rather be hated and succesful than loved but in the bottom half of the table, but actually that’s definitely not true of me in life. I told you I wasn’t a real fan.
Michael Ball’s maturing into a rank average footballer has been really surprising / disappointing. Apart from one moment of sheer class involving his boot and C. Ronaldo’s testes, I’ve not seen anything from him at City.
When he was coming up at Everton he looked the business, great all round skill and competitiveness. We had Walter Smith in charge then, a desperately limited man, particularly with coaching young players. Everything seemed to go wrong for Ball playing under Smith, including a serious knee-injury that was badly mis-handled by the Everton physios. He’s flitted from team to team ever since, I’d like to see him do well at City.
Richard Dunne was a Blue at around the same time, obviously had talent, but kept himself in disgraceful condition. He seems to have laid off the ale and pies in recent years and become a decent player.
