English Rugby can suck my Cock

As you wish. Ireland are a great-hearted but generally underpowered Rugby nation who frustrate supporters and neutrals alike by blowing alternately hot and cold, one day struggling to overcome Argentina and then pushing Australia within a point of World Cup defeat on their own turf. When they’re not playing England, Ireland are my favourite side to watch and cheer for. They routed Wales in grand style and it was a joy to see them do it.

Achilles, on the other hand… well, I believe I already offered my assessment. :wink:

I think we should all just be relieved none of us are Scottish. Oh dear.

Scotland vs Italy, quite possibly the most boring match I’ve ever had the displeasure of watching.

[raises hand]

Scottish mother, Welsh father, born in England.

I can’t win, apparently.

Oi! You may have beaten Australia in the Rugby World Cup, but we’re not conceding the Fucking Championship just yet. :smiley:
[sup]Flamin’ Poms. At least we beat the Yorblax[/sup]

Oooooooo…fullbacks. We have those in American football.

So, um…yeah.

Look, I really know dick-all-about-nothing regarding English Rugby but this thread has had me laughing myself to tears. I might just have to look into this wee-little sport as this has been the absolute best sports related trash-talk I’ve encountered in years. Any sport with such eloquent fans as this, well I want a piece of that action.

BWAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Oh Christ Almighty on a hot tin roof that is one funny line!

MeanJoe

I played EA Rugby 2004 once and England kicked everybody’'s ass. So obviously the OP is in the wrong.

P.S. Rugby is stupid.

I disagree with Eternal’s assessment of rugby, but I’m not at all surprised if in EA Rugby 2004 England should kick everybody’s ass. This is a fair reflection of recent history, in which England won the Six Nations in 2003 (that’s England, France, Ireland, Italy, Scotland and Wales) and kicked all their asses in doing so, then went on a short pre-World Cup tour and played South Africa, Australia and New Zealand - who are by far the three best Southern Hemisphere rugby-playing nations - and kicked their asses, and then went to the World Cup and kicked ass there to, returning home with the World Cup after kicking Australia’s ass in the final, although not to the extent they would have liked.

It wasn’t always thus. In the Seventies when I was growing up, England regularly got their ass kicked in the Five Nations (as it was before 2000 - no Italy) and could generally hope only to beat Scotland and Ireland, and not always them. Wales kicked the other home nations’ asses year in year out, with few exceptions, and the Five Nations was usually down to which out of France and Wales kicked the other’s ass. And from 1963 to 1991, England got their ass kicked every time they went to Cardiff. (That’s the Welsh home turf.) Part of the reason for this was that, in the days when Rugby Union was amateur, a lot of Welsh players were steelworkers or coal-miners, and so naturally superior ass-kickers; whereas England’s industrial base adopted Rugby League (a professional sport) as a pastime and this siphoned off players who might otherwise have kicked major ass.

New Zealand, South Africa and Australia have almost always kicked ass on the rugby field. In NZ it’s the national sport and anecdotal evidence has it that the average Kiwi granny can discuss the sport with a fluency and breadth of knowledge that many a Northern Hemisphere sports commentator would envy. The All Blacks, NZ’s national team, were generally credited with an extremely professional attitude to the game even in the days when it was amateur; they thought hard about the game, trained hard and viewed defeat as a national disgrace. South Africans lived a hardy outdoor life, ate a massively high-protein diet and played their sport on fields baked hard by the sub-equatorial sun. Consequently they were all enormous and practically impervious to pain. And Australians are Australian. Rugby Union isn’t even their second-favourite football code - Rules and League are the biggies - but the opportunity to kick Pommie ass is never let slip and they don’t take any shit from the guys across the Tasman Sea either.

Rugby’s taken off to some extent in other corners of the world. Japan can’t cut it physically on the world stage but they regularly kick Asian ass and have the unusual distinction of having played internationals in which, on different occasions, they’ve both suffered and inflicted hundred-point ass-kickings. Argentina can kick the ass of anyone else in the New World, with Canada their nearest rivals. Fiji don’t quite cut it in the fifteen-a-side game, though they nearly kicked Scotland’s ass in the World Cup and they routinely kick ass in the seven-a-side tournaments in which it’s a huge asset to be enormous, rangy, natural ball-handlers. Western Samoa, now Samoa, have kicked Welsh ass in the World Cup before now and nearly kicked England’s ass before we got our shit together. The USA, despite being current undefeated Olympic champions, get their ass kicked when they try to mix it with the big boys, but could give a fair game to, say, Italy, Canada, Romania or some of the African nations other than South Africa.

MeanJoe, imagine American football with the following changes: No forward passes, only laterals. No stoppage after the tackle: the scrimmage isn’t set but is strictly a first-up affair, unless it gets hopelessly stuck, and anyone within reach of the ball can try to play it, not just the center in possession. No interference. An “aerial scrimmage” to restart when the ball goes out of play, with the ball thrown down the line of scrimmage above head-height and anyone allowed to grab it. All field-goals to be drop-kicked. Minimal time-outs, and only for injuries; a game scheduled to run for 80 minutes will not take more than about 85 plus the half-time interval. That’s something of an over-simplification, but it gives you the idea. IMHO, the game kicks ass.

Careful there mate. I am a former Rugby Union referee (before the game turned to boring tedium). I was playing juniors, in games where the referee would know that I had higher qualifications than he did. A quick glance and shake of the head was enough to make them doubt any decision they made. Mind you they weren’t English refs so the mistakes weren’t that frequent.

I’m glad we won. The Brits took it with grace, and were gentlemanly in defeat.
Achilles, be a gentleman in victory.

When the capital city of your rivals has twice the population of your entire country and rugby is a poor 3rd of a national sport after soccer and GAA, beating the World Champions is a BIG deal. But not so big that we have to be rude to them.
They played badly and they know it, that’s punishment enough.

They’ll have tightened up the backs, got the forwards out of the back line and Thompson will probably have spent all week throwing balls at targets. I’m also guessing they’ll have spent a bit more time working out who is actually jumping in the line-out.

It was a great match, full of close calls and with plenty of action. We should be thankful for the entertainment, no matter who you were cheering for.

The who?

No, they weren’t playing. :smiley:

Btw, Rugby Union’s by no means the #1 sport this side of the Irish Sea, either.

Slight hijack, but has a try always been worth 5 points? I could swear it used to be 4.

Yes, it was increased to 5 some time in the early 1990s. It was three points up to 1971. There was a time when a drop-goal was 4 points to a try’s three, so Wilko would have been even more worth his corn in those days!

Well, for my money; Keith Moon couldn’t have had a worse game than Steve Thompson.
:smiley:

OK. We really must stop playing Ted and Ralph though.

I’m keeping a low profile as far as rugby is concerned, my team has been put in its place far to often in recent years. I just wanted to say that I feel Dallaglio didn’t seem capable of sorting things out when it was obviously all going horribly wrong(from England’s point of view). I’m sure Johnson would have shook them up a bit.

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On a point of order, WTF is the OP doing pitting English rugby anyway? Since when do you pit someone for doing exactly what you want - such as making you a fucking present of a match the form book had you losing by 20 points?

I on the other hand have a perfect right to be pitting the poor sods for making such a Godawful fuckup of their first Six Nations home game since the World Cup, on the other hand. Come on, boys, what in the name of Satan’s hairy bollocks were you playing at? So you’re minus Johnno and Johnny - you should still be taking Ireland to the fucking cleaners without working up a sweat. Cohen, tuck the ball under your outside arm, that gives you a hand free to shove off the tacklers. Better yet, dive for the fucking line. Thompson, learn to throw. All of you, if the ball comes near you in the line-out, catch the fucker. And get to the fucking breakdown and keep the ball instead of letting those green-shirted bastards nick it. For fuck’s sake, this is Ireland, not the fucking All Blacks or even France. They’re not going to win unless you hand the fucking game to them on a plate. Have you forgotten all the Slams you’ve pissed away in the last five years through taking your fucking eye off the ball? Do you really think we fat, terminally unfit, middle-aged fuckers making omniscient pronouncements from the comfort of our sofas want to see you do it all over again? :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack:

Yeah, but, no but yeah but, can it?