“Nice” guy/girl has a bad connotation in a sense that it automatically projects a picture of a door mat personality.
“Bad” boy/girl has a somewhat desireable (if not actually “good”) connotation. A bad boy is obviously a James Dean-ish type that virtually every girl is attracted to on some level. While the same is true for a bad girl image, as in, virtually every guy wants to spend at least a little quality time with the right sort of bad girl.
So nice is bad, but bad is good. Hmmm… No wonder relationships are so damn hard.
Maybe the “all men are selfish, sexist pigs?” type?
The reason I used Contrary Girl instead of Nice Girl is that the Nice Guy Phenonmenon isn’t really about a guy who just happens to be nice and friendly. It’s about a specific type of guys who call themselves Nice and think that their whole problem is that they’re a “Nice Guy”. Most of these types are NOT “nice” at all.
I was offended by Inigo’s post. I did not insult Inigo; I simply stated I found his remark offesive. You, on the other hand, have chosen to insult me. If your opinion differs from mine, then feel free to give your opinion. The purpose of this forum, which is called IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, is to express opinions. If you need to insult me, then take it to the Pit.
Sure you do. These are the girls who can’t find a guy who want’s to settle down in a long term relationship. Most non-repulsive girls can go to any bar to get laid (even the ugly ones can go after 3am if they’re really desperate). Finding a decent long-term guy is more difficult.
Maybe because a six pack and a pizza don’t yell at you for trying to be funny?
What are you so upset about? I know some guys need to have that element of shrill nagging and nitpicking in their life, but there are a crazy few who just want sex.
Steady there, laina_f. Inigo’s just quoting a very old joke which no-one ever takes literally.
Btw, I find your insistence on calling only for *women’*s opinions offensive and sexist, since you clearly don’t value men’s opinions… In My Humble Opinion.
Stop condescending to me. I have a right to my opinion.
It’s not true that no-one takes the “joke” literally. I am one person who thinks that someone who makes gratuitous sexist remarks is indeed a sexist, with the corresponding bad attitude toward women.
I asked for women’s opinions; I did not call for only women’s opinions. Your statement that I clearly don’t value men’s opinions is baseless and uncalled for.
Why is it not possible for y’all to express your opinions without resorting to putdowns, condescension and insults?
The right to an opinion does not imply the right to be taken seriously.
Sorry, let me rephrase: no-one who isn’t a candidate for a sense of humour bypass takes the very old “six pack and a pizza” joke seriously. YMMV.
You call for women’s opinions, you don’t call for men’s opinions. By implication and applying your own standards of humourlessness, you don’t value men’s opinions and, by extension, men as people.
Why is it not possible for y’all to express your opinions without resorting to a numbered list of them? Plus, show me where I put down, condescended, or insulted.
Sorry, but now you’re just asking to be mocked mercilessly. You were the first to mention the Pit. Bring it on.
And it’s the opinion of some posters that you’ve over-reacted.
Please go back and check the context in which it was written. It was said tongue in cheek and with a clear note of sarcasm. In other words, making fun of the stereotype, not perpetuating it.
If you didn’t mean “only women’s opinion” why ask for “women’s opinion”? In what world of are “women” a gray area when the other choice is clearly not women. Now you’re just being disingenuous.
This is a genuine question, I’m not trying to be snarky or anything. I make gratutitous sexist remarks about women all the damn time, am I sexist? (I’m a woman btw. One who likes driving and voting and going to school and all that jazz).
Bak to the topic, I consider myself a “nice girl” and guys seem to like it. I believe it was my hairdresser who once said, “Diosa, men want one thing: a woman who in public is the preacher’s daughter, but in bed is the whore nextdoor.” It’s true.
I don’t drink. I don’t really “party”. I don’t do drugs. I don’t go out much (I much prefer reading and such). I’m not the wild and crazy college student type. Yet, I get hit on all the time and have no problem getting dates with all the “bad” boys and such.
Perhaps women go for the “bad boy” because he is different in a world of “good boys”. In a world of drunken college sluts, the “good girl” stands out.
I have friends who are the female equivalent of the Self Proclaimed Nice Guy (and it is important to distinguish that type from genuinely nice guys). However, they’re not really what I would call “Nice Girls,” and they don’t blame their lack of romatic success on niceness. They choose other things.
In college (mid to late 80’s) the common complaint was “I’m too smart; men dont’ like Smart Women–they want bimbos.” I don’t hear this complaint so much anymore. I hope it’s myth that’s been debunked.
I do still hear “I’m too strong and independent; men don’t want to date a Strong Woman–they want a weak little dormat.”
In almost every case, it wasn’t/isn’t a matter of the woman being too smart or too strong. There are a variety of other factors (including going after the wrong guys; aiming out of their league; having a really negative, bitter, whiney attitude; being incredibly desparate; or sometimes just bad luck), but try telling them that!
I thought the beer-and-a-six-pack thing was a sharper jab at the stereotypical boorish macho mentality than sexist towards women but what the hell would I know?
