Oh dear… now what’s a NICE GIRL supposed to say to that?!
‘I’ll bring the wine if you bring the Cal-Mex’?! 
If any women reading this find Inigo’s remark humorous, please speak up.
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I thought that was hilarious! Of course, I didn’t take him seriously.
I wasn’t blaming you, or anyone else for that matter specifically, Sensibility, so no worries. I agree with you for the most part, except that when the term “good girl” is used, people often mean it in a derogatory way. A “good girl” is straitlaced, uptight, perhaps even puritanical, from what I’ve heard.
I agree. To be a ‘good girl’ is often looked on as a ‘bad thing’, and there have been many times when I have wondered if STICKING to being a ‘good girl’ is all its cracked up to be!
There HAVE been times wehn Ive been tempted to think ‘oh sod it’, just enjoy yourself, what does it matter what anyone ELSE thinks, BUT, I tend to end up reminding myself that in order to be a ‘bad girl’ I wouldnt just have to change the things I did, or didnt do, but would also have to change my attitude to, my belief in and my behavious towards those things too! HUGE changes!! I end up thinking - hang on - do I like who I am and what I stand for? Do I want to change who I am and what I stand for? and rightly or wrongly, the answer keeps coming back the same…<sigh>…just destined to be a REAL GOOD GIRL!!!
Yes…after all, if it doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks, you can be a good girl just as well as a bad one, right?
Now theres a thought!
Well, you have to be yourself, right?
Perhaps we could adopt some bad girl trappings, whatever those might be.
That would confuse the life out of the fellas dont you think?
APPEARING to be a bad girl and actually being a ‘nice girl’ - mixed messages definitely - or appearing to be a ‘nice girl’ and actually being a ‘bad girl’?
Actually, now that I think about it, there are already SOME out there who are EXACTLY that! I dont think the guys have a particularly nice name for them either !
So no…I’ll stick to being a ‘nice girl’ and then surprise my lucky ‘nice guy’ with the sexy underwear and naughtyness once Im sure he’s worth it!
That’s actually what I’m talking about.
Does being sweet and likeable and looking like the girl next door but then revealing two tattoos and a fondness for heavy metal music put me in that category? 
I think most men would think that puts you in the exciting category!
What’s wrong with nice, soft flannel pyjamas?
Each to their own!
(and they ARE soft and snuggly in winter…!)
Same here.
In fact I came into this thread thinking that “Nice Girl” was a description of the last woman I went out with and another I would have liked to have gone out with but it would seem “Nice Girl” is as derogatory as “Nice Guy” is somehow 
That’s the way I saw it.
Pushkin, yea, those are the real nice ones… But I’m sure they’re not for the most part those that keep loudly complaining about “Women only want bad guys” or something similar.
By irishgirl’s definition, I am a nice girl. Do you know how many times I’ve wanted to slap some sense into the guys who start complaining about how the women they like are going with “bad guys”?
Way I see it, there are specific, nonmysterious skills involved in getting into a relationship; they’re related, but not identical, to the skills involved in maintaining a good relationship. Some folks, male and female, intuit these skills; some folk have an older cousin or friend or sibling who teaches these skills; and some folk never pick up on them (or pick up on them very late in life).
The latter group, the romantically clueless, are a pitiful bunch, and I mean that literally: having been one of them, I pity them. Many of them blame themselves very viciously for their lack of romantic relationships.
There are others, however, who want to blame the rest of the world for their loneliness, and they often do this by claiming that the rest of the world wants them to be something unacceptable in order to get nookie.
Nice Guys claim that the rest of the world requires them to be an asshole in order to get sex. As others have suggested, the female equivalent might be the women who claim that the rest of the world wants them to be a doormat in order to get sex.
The Nice Guy says that, because he’s unwilling to be a jerk, he’s single. In reality, it’s his unwillingness (or lack of skillfulness) to flirt that’s causing his singlehood. Flirting does not equal assholery.
The “Nice Girl” says that, because she’s unwilling to keep her opinions to herself, she’s single. In reality, it’s her unwillingness (or lack of skilfulness) to flirt that’s causing her singlehood. Flirting does not equal doormattery.
Daniel
Well put!
See I don’t blame anyone else, its just that when I should be flirting I don’t know how and when I’m unaware of it I can do it (I had 3 romantic liasons with women from my office that way 
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Hmm, according to what we’ve learned from threads like this one, that doesn’t compute. (Unless you’re just a nice guy and not a NiceGuy™.)
I don’t hold contempt for women either. My problem is with men. The chief reason I don’t play the field much anymore is that I have no interest in having to “earn” my manhood or living up to anyone’s stereotype of maleness, be it women’s or men’s.
Link dead. (Search reeeal slow.) The thread I wanted was SusanStoHelit’s “In which I pit Nice Guys”.