Does it have round corners?
What was this thread about?
Honestly, I’ve never seen any other threads where the conversation turns to hijacks and lowjacks and offjacks and wayjacks faster than these ENT threads.
That’s what makes them so fun!
Precisely.
So, is “Horizon” supposed to make up for nearly two seasons’ worth of Mayweather neglect?
When do you think we’ll see your Gorn guys and gals? Third season? But remember, Kirk had never seen one before in “Arena.” You want continuity or not?
just introduce a blind crew member and have him meet the gorn.
He hadn’t? I thought Gorn were supposed to be all territorial and stuff? Of course, I tend to try and block out all TOS material not related to the movies so who knows.
And I could’ve sworn there was more to my previous post. I think a hamster ate part of it.
…or maybe it was my computer. I think it’s possessed. It keeps posting stuff multiple times and it just now sent off a duplicate email that I didn’t want it to. Damn poltergeists.
Just a little question I have. At leats I call it “little” so as not to scare the ladies. Anyway:
How did the Klingons get their mitts on Archer?
knock knock
Mayweather: “There’s someone at the hatch sir. Thay say they’re delivering some flowers and you need to sign for them.”
Archer: “OK, OK… Trip, ya got an singles? I left my wallet in my readyroom and I want to leave 'em a nice tip.”
Trip: “Sure, sure. Just remember to pay me back this time.”
Archer: “Yeah, sure.” knock, knock, knock, knock “Yeah, yeah, I’m coming! Just hold on!”
Archer opens the hatch and there AREN’T flowers being delivered at all! It’s a bunch of Klingon court clerks!
Klingon court clerk #1: “There he is! Grab him!”
T’Pol just shows up on the bridge fresh from her shower, still drying her hair with a towel: “What the hell was that?”
Then the next scene, Archer is in jail and Phlox is having him “turn his head and cough”.
Is that what happened? I missed the very beginning and I’ve been wondering.
-Rue.
Grumble, grumble, grumble. I was so un-pandafied last night. I had to go eat chocolate to make up for it.
I give this one a great big Average. It was okay, better written and conceived than many Enterprises, though not as good as last week (I’m probably being harsh in comparison).
The acting was reasonably good (actually, I was impressed by the Advocate dude, who I thought did a great job with his role), and there were some 'splosions, which I always like to see.
I also liked how, on the penal colony (tee-hee), they were harvesting Hostess Snowballs. I always wondered where those things came from.
But it was pretty boring, and I’m not into the whole courtroom speechifying thing. Which is why I watch Enterprise, not Judge Judy.
Am I the only one who liked the Klingon captain’s version of Archer better than the real Archer? Klingon Archer would never stare wistfully (as opposed to wispfully) out a window, sighing about how someday there will be a Directive of the Prime variety.
As regards next week’s Travispalooza - I think it’ll be really funny if the poor guy gets a whole episode about himself and STILL doesn’t have any lines.
What are you talking about? Last week, it only took two torpedoes to completely obliterate a ship 5 times as big across as the Enterprise!
This week’s torpedo explosion was enhanced because it went off inside the special Treknobabble gas or dust which pervaded that planet’s ring system, and Malcom had modified the torpedo to ignite the gas/dust to create a great big sensor-blinding shockwave.
My guess is, Klingon Captain Durass* reluctantly reported to the Klingon high command that the Enterprise had gotten away, so the Klingons sent 3 or 4 battlecruisers to intercept the Enterprise before it left Klingon space. Faced with those kinds of odds, and legal-looking charges being brought against Archer, the crew had no choice but to hand over their captain.
*) Was he any relation to the Durass that Worf killed in ST:TNG?
Thanks tracer. So I didn’t miss it, it was just never there and we’re not supposed to ask. Just like we’re not supposed to ask how you can just walk out of the dilithium mines and no one even notices. (Although the atmospere of the planet would keep people from just wondering around up there I figure.)
How is the Universal Translator suppose to work? Is it implanted in Archer’s ear and we are hearing the Klingon language the same way he is? Why are certain words that have literal translations into English not translated? He has to be told what they mean.
Also, Archer tells his advocate he wants a “real” trial. What does a “real” trial mean to a Klingon? Surely not a trial exactly like a 20th century American court would hold. State or federal?
Also, would a civilization capable of faster than light space travel mine it’s power source with slaves using pickaxes?
No, sorry Trekers, the writing of this show is abysmal. Aren’t there some real science fiction writers out there who could use some TV money? Rodenberry conceived Star Trek as Wagon Train to the stars. It’s now turned into plan old Wagon Train. No sense of wonder about strange new worlds and new civilizations. Clearly just going were we have been hundreds of times…before!
[back to the episode]
Tripp - You mean we’re going to leave them?
T’Pol - There are diplomatic channels
Tripp - We’ve tried those! They didn’t work.
T’Pol - There are other “channels”. Some of the Klingons may be persuaded (and she made something like bedroom eyes)
Am I the only person that thought T’pol was going to “give it up” or something to these Klingons?
The amount of dilithium they get on the ice world isn’t the point randwill. It’s for the hard labor aspect that the Klingons keep the mine open. If it was just to suck the crystals out of the ground, the prison wouldn’t still be there when Kirk shows up.
Meh. Lost all credibility when Archer was allowed to present his testimony. All of a sudden, they’re in a courtroom that has a legal system that resembles one on Earth. It would be better if the Klingons had no concept at all of anything resembling Earth justice. If anything, Klingons would have a code duello (trial by combat). In the original Star Trek, Kirk would have ended up in a arena, armed with some unfamiliar Klingon weapon, fighting with the disgraced Klingon Captain for his life. This was an episode that cried for some Shatner scenery chewing.
And I really miss the cheesy music cues. When Archer was sentenced to life in the mines, we needed a dramatic “DA DA!” followed by a break for the commercial. (ST-TOS was all about cliffhangers.)
Yes.
I figured it was either money or the Vulcan High COmmand had pictures of the Klingon with a duck.
Do you *have *to come in here and spoil everything by making sense?
I hope you’re proud of yourself.
Lame. Exceedingly lame.
The episode was so boring, and so little of worth happened, that I can’t even bring myself to discuss it in detail.
Once again, though, I’ll point out that the biggest mistake the Enterprise writers are making is that they’re trying to create drama out of inherently undramatic situations. We know Archer isn’t going to be executed. We know he isn’t going to be sentenced forever to Rura Penthe. We know at the end of the episode he’s going to be back on his ship sailing merrily away. None of this is in dispute, and therefore any attempt to make drama out of it will fail.
There are a couple of different ways to do this. In the Buffy model, for example, it’s entirely possible Archer would still be in prison at the end of the episode. Two or three shows would be dedicated to exploring the situation, soliciting support of Klingon resources, fending off attacks from competing interests, and so on.
But since Enterprise needs to reset everything back to normal at the end of every episode (interesting exception: getting repairs after that mine took a bite out of the saucer), the drama needs to come from within the episode. We know there won’t be any physical changes, so we have to have emotional changes. What happens in the course of the hour must matter to the characters.
The last time I talked about this, I mentioned the TNG episode “Inner Light,” in which Picard lives a whole life in an hour based on impulses from that alien probe. We know he isn’t going to die. We know he’s just lying on the floor of the bridge. But at the end, he’s a changed man. His experience has altered his emotional chemistry, and he lives his life slightly differently from here on out.
At the end of “Judgment,” Archer isn’t changed at all. He knew he was right at the start of the trial, he stuck to his guns, he didn’t change anything about his approach, and at the end, he gets rescued. Big whoop.
Worst of all, he convinces a supporting character to change. The show isn’t about the supporting characters. We don’t care about them, or we shouldn’t, at any rate, more than we do about the main characters. There’s a core cast for a reason; they’re the ones we should be keying into. So far, Enterprise has been primarily about the emotional journeys of the supporting guest characters, whom we never see again. I’m sorry, but in dramatic terms, that’s utter death.
Next week looks like more of the same. Travis might leave the ship! Oh, no, he won’t. Yawn. Why even bother to watch?
I had previously promised I would give the show to the end of the current season before deciding whether or not to give up on it, but now I’m not sure I can even make it that far.
A bounty hunter comes after him concerning the events of this episode.
I’m glad you didn’t discuss it at length. Bandwidth is a valuable thing.
Bernse - I sort of thought T’Pol was being naughty, too. Well, I didn’t SERIOUSLY think that was what they were trying to portray, but it crossed my mind in a “haha! Sounds like she’s talking about sex!” sort of way.
And all ya’ll’s criticisms are pretty much on target, I’d say.