Enterprise Similitude & Spoilers

[Corner_Case]

I was looking at Aesiron’s last posts to see if he indicated where he was going. viva, I thought maybe he asked you not to divulge, and not to divulge not divulging, or not to divulge not divulging about divulging … [sub]You ever see a word and suddenly it doesn’t look right anymore?[/sub] … Well, I came across his post about Dopers he would like to meet

Trek Dopers: vivalostwages, NoClueBoy, carnivorousplant, Kn*ckers, Tars Tarkas, tracer, Wearia, Cervaise, Corner Case, squeegee, Monstre, kingpengvin, elf6c, and pretty much everyone else that posts weekly.

and it warmed my heart :o . I hope his penile lengthening surgery goes off without a hitch.

As for evil, grape, hamburglar monkeys - odd correlations, segues, bawdiness, puns, mind-numbing trivia - these are all part of the fun of posting, but such non-sequiturs! Your facts are uncoordinated. If you’re gonna hijack, do it with style!

[Ephemera]

This episode repeats tonight.

…and since I didn’t notice this thread the first time due to my absence (which lasted a maybe a whole week or two, maybe, I can’t remember. Sweet, sweet dope), I’d like to thank those of you who asked about how I was doing.

It was just some family drama due to my life’s decisions that they didn’t care for… nothing major. I just rebelled at 21 instead of 14 like most people do, I guess.

[vivalostwages]

Ah yes, I recall that Cervaise didn’t see this one …?

I’m still unhappy with Phlox and Archer for not offering one word of comfort or even holding the poor bastard’s hand at the end.

[Cervaise]

I have nooooooow!

And hey, you guys were right, it is pretty good. The science blows (a couple more nitpicks to add to the list will follow), but the moral dilemma was spot-on.

Whoever said this was an old-style Trek (too lazy to look who) was right, I think. I can definitely see almost this exact episode being done by TOS, but no doubt it would have been Kirk they had to clone, because Shatner always made sure the good stories were about him.

Actually, now that I think about it, it might have been even more interesting to clone Archer, who’s even less disposable than Trip, and who has (a) more authority in terms of crew members being used to obeying him and (b) more knowledge about how to defend his life by monkeying with the ship if he chose. Sadly, Bakula probably doesn’t have the acting chops to pull it off, thus making Trineer (sp?) the better choice.

Of course, if it had been Mayweather, they would have turned off his respirator by lunch and served him in the mess hall for dinner.

Nitpicks:

They were at warp when they plowed through the particle field. Even presuming the real-space material could affect the at-warp ship, they radically understated the size of the phenomenon. When they came out of warp, somebody said the field was “eleven thousand kilometers” in diameter, and they were right in the middle of it. Since we saw the ship start shuddering as it entered the field, that means they traveled only five-point-five thousand kilometers in, what, ten or fifteen seconds, at warp four-plus. Hitting the particle field at that speed would have been like going over a speed bump at ninety miles an hour. (This is something they get wrong all the time.)

Also: When the shuttles were starting to tow the ship, they were unable to move the larger vessel at all, until there was a jolt and suddenly Enterprise “came loose.” Came loose from what? They’re in space, in zero-G. There’s nothing besides the ship’s own inertia keeping it in place. Apply even a modicum of thrust, and movement, however infinitesimal, is the result. What they should have done was establish a minimum velocity that had to be achieved in order to get them out of the field before system shutdown, and used that as the suspense element: Can we accelerate to this speed before the shuttles blow up?

Otherwise, a pretty good show.

[Ephemera]

Only *two * nitpicks? :eek:

[vivalostwages]

I know. I’m trying to pick myself up from the floor.

Did you notice that Trip has had the same haircut since he was old enough to have hair? Thought they did a good job with the guest Trips/Sims, though.

Aes, I’m sending you a tape tomorrow morning. “The making of the Passion of the Dumpty” is about 20-30 minutes into the SNL segment. It’s funnier if you’re tired and punchy.

[Ephemera]

Speakin of which, dress up Jesus!

[Cervaise]

@Aesiron

Only *two * nitpicks?

You guys already got the good ones (memories in DNA, Phlox’s inconsistent ethics, the fact that Sim should have been shoveling food at one end and fountaining poop at the other, etc.). I just added a couple that hadn’t been mentioned yet.

[AncientHumanoid]

@NoClueBoy

>>Archer orders the pods back, but don’t you need them to maintain velocity in an accretion field?<<

Appantly, their inertia was sufficient to overcome any slowing down by the shit hitting the bow of the ship. Remember,too, the shit was coming form all directions. Only the shit in the line of movement (or close to that line) would have any effect. But, given that shit was also smashing into NX-01 from the stern, this may have cancled out any decelleration effects.

btw, I likeded this episode, uh huh.

Ah, yes. I had almost forgotten about this shit.

[tracer]

@Cervaise

that means they traveled only five-point-five thousand kilometers in, what, ten or fifteen seconds, at warp four-plus.

Trek writers have never learned how to do the math involved in the formula “time = distance / velocity”.

In “Where Silence Has Lease” (ST:TNG), for example, they flew toward an opening in the void 1.3 parsecs away at Warp 2, and made it there in about 30 seconds. :rolleyes:

[Corner_Case]

The hull was accreting with Space Rust. It took massive phaser blasts just to clear the docking bay hatches. All systems functions were going to be dead within a few hours due to the dia-magnetic field. What can they do? What Can They Do??

Just leave and it all automatically sloughs off the instant they leave the field - no harm, no foul. Tough stuff. It can withstand phaser blasts but can’t hold up once it’s away from all of it’s mommy and daddy and cousin Flakes.

NB: It really just wanted to see what things were like on the Boards once I posted after subscribing. Yes, I’m in.

I bet the SDMB just went to subscriptions so that they could knock out membership. They knew that when the rest of the Start Trek: Enterprise season tanks, they didn’t want all that angry/depressed chatter. Actually I like the series and just think they need a kick in the pants and a stern lecture telling them to stick to character development.

[Ephemera]

Glad to see you’re in. Someone sponsored me and I see **Cervaise ** is in already as well. Cool beans.

[elf6c]

Glad to see most of the Trek crew has joined up.

As far as this episode goes, I liked it the first time around, but not enough to watch the rerun.

[Ephemera]

I rarely watch reruns. Even when I buy the Season Sets, they’ll be more for posterity than viewing (I will watch them but not all the time or anything).

Glad to see you’re still with us, elf6c.

[vivalostwages]

@NoClueBoy

Ah, yes. I had almost forgotten about this shit.

you mean shit doesn’t stick in your brain?

[elf6c]

@Aesiron

I rarely watch reruns. Even when I buy the Season Sets, they’ll be more for posterity than viewing (I will watch them but not all the time or anything).

Glad to see you’re still with us, elf6c.

Thanks.

I am the same way- most reruns I skip, but certain reruns I will watch over and over- like the TNG series finale. Of course its mostly to watch the 3 warp nacelled Enterprise decloak and blast that big hole in the Klingon ship.

The other day, I randomly channel flipped to the episode were Ensign Ro and Gordy got phase shifted by the Romulan device, and everyone thought they were dead- poof 1 hour down the drain.