like your style carn.
rebels vs. starfleet, thats choice.
i’d like to point out that the rebels could use some definite help with their wardrobe, might give them a better edge. personally, i’ve always been a fan of the blasters from the Black Hole (i know it’s disney, so what.) those phasers look weak in ST. SW blasters definitely fit the fashion don’ts of the rebels carrying them.
A picture of an Imperial Star Destroyer blasting the original-series Enterprise:
http://members.tripod.com/~Spawk/trekkill.jpg
A picture of an Imperial Star Destroyer fighting a Borg cube: http://members.tripod.com/~Spawk/borgst.jpg
For those of you who appreciate the humorous stuff I’ve posted, is there any interest in writing alternate scenes to a story? Just for laughs, of course. We could do two, one where Trek wins and another where SW wins. I guess we should start a new thread.
Spock: Captain, I have on sen-sors what appears to be an elaborate model rocket or Buck Rogers on steroids.
Kirk, eyeing Yeoman: Hmmm? Oh, ah hail them Uhura.
Uhura: Captain, they are signaling “May the Farce be with you!”
…and somebody takes it from there and runs with it.
Tracer,
Nice pics. If you thought the SW geeks on this board were worse than the ST geeks, I can’t imagine talking to those losers. :rolleyes:
Smile when you say that, Dude! 
Err, which Geeks are losers?
All of us. Accept it.
Darn it, I didn’t realize those tripod.com links would cause an in-between page to pop up in Netscape Navigator.
looks like its turned into accept our geekliness or deny it “were really cool sf fans and no never wore those silly plastic ears at conventions, i mean what conventions, i never went to conventions…” 
a great debate.
did we come up with anything?
looks like its turned into accept our geekliness or deny it “were really cool sf fans and no never wore those silly plastic ears at conventions, i mean what conventions, i never went to conventions…”
a great debate.
did we come up with anything?
looks like its turned into accept our geekliness or deny it “were really cool sf fans and no never wore those silly plastic ears at conventions, i mean what conventions, i never went to conventions…”
a great debate.
did we come up with anything?
soulsling wrote:
Yeah, that the Enterprise could kick a Star Destroyer’s butt! Wham! Blam! Badam!
tracer,
That’s what I got from this too. Great minds, huh?
Great one-sided minds. I think we managed to show what would NEED to happen for the Enterprise to win (which is a lot more than is needed for the Star Destroyer to win). Now all we need is a scriptwriter.
Okay, okay, joking aside… here’s what’s been come up with:
The Star Destroyer is a sturdier ship. It has many many more weapons. It’s crew is better-trained for combat. It has the support of 72 TIE fighters and several other support ships (assault gunboats and skipray blastboats). Its’ captain would probably be impetuous and hasty. It has eight tractor beam projectors which would be capable of serving to imobilize the Enterprise. Its’ hyperdrive allows for much faster speeds than the Enterprise’s warp drive. Its’ sensors probably wouldn’t be able to detect the Enterprise in warp. It has two types of shielding, Ray and Particle, which protect it from harm until the shield has been blasted all the way through.
The Enterprise has much greater range with its’ weapons. The Enterprise has faster sub-light speed and better maneuverability. It has transporters which may be used to its’ advantage. It has better sensors. The crew has been trained for more unorthodox situations. The crew is less violent and more “regulated” than the ISD’s. It can separate into the two sections. It can go to warp and dance circles around the Star Destroyer. Its’ hull is a lot more frail. It has one type of shield (that fulfils the role of both Particle and Ray). The ship can receive damage before the shields are completely punched through. It has a lot more options on the battlefield (like spraying tachyon fields and such). It has Data.
So, obviously, both ships have advantages and disadvantages… so, Mr. Tracer, I don’t think we’ve proven anything. Let’s leave that up to Hollywood.
Speaking of which… can you imagine the merchandising that could come from something like this?!?
And don’t forget the ISD’s lack of FTL weapons and sensors!
Plus, I don’t think its tractor beams can lock onto an FTL object, or keep hold of an object that suddenly goes FTL. A tractor beam certainly prevents a vessel from jumping into hyperspace, of course – if the Millennium Falcon or Princess Leia’s blockade runner could’ve gotten out of the tractor beams in Episode IV by going to lightspeed, they would’ve done so – but warp drive doesn’t seem to have as picky a set of conditions for engaging it as hyperdrive does.
Tractor beams in Star Trek, at least according to Star Fleet Battles, are fully capable of dragging something at warp speed. I’ll have to check this with the official ST:TNG Tech Manual, though, and that’s in my other pants right now.
Yeah, I forgot the thing about FTL sensors and such…
But tractor beams? That is cofusing. Certainly the Star Destroyer could easily snag the ‘Prise before it goes to warp… but whether or not the tractor beams would prevent it from going to warp is a real grey area. I mean, the only thing that would screw up the ISD’s tractor beam would be the warp field that the Enterprise needs to generate… but, then again, the warp field doesn’t screw up ST tractor beams, and I think it’s a safe assumption that both series’ tractor beams would be very similar.
So whenever our fictional scriptwriter gets to that point in the story, he can always just toss a coin.
A few more things for comparison. The Enterprise’s navigational deflectors enable it to fly through an asteroid field unscathed (Mudds Women) while the ISDs were severely damaged when they did the same thing in TESB. The phaser banks can lay waste to the entire surface of a planet this has been mentioned in many episodes. The problem with this debate is we have never seen the ISD do anything that would lead one to believe it has great firepower, remember in Jedi a couple of X-wings were able to take out it’s shield generators and a collision with one A-wing caused it to spin out of control. In “Balance of Terror” the Enterprise withstood a nuclear explosion from only 100 meters away. The Enterprise is the far superior combat vessel.
Icerigger wrote:
Those two asteroid fields could have been of vastly different densities. In the real Asteroid Belt in our (Earth’s) solar system, you could hurtle an unguided spacecraft through the thickest part of the Belt edge-on, and it would still only have a 1-in-100 chance of hitting anything bigger than a grain of sand. In the asteroid field in The Empire Strikes Back, you couldn’t sneeze without running into a giant rock.
Explosions in a vacuum lose their oomph a lot faster with distance than explosions in the air do. The main reason Little Boy did so much damage to Hiroshima was because of its shock wave; no air, no shock wave.
The idea that the phaser banks can lay waste to the surface of the planet is a theory, and as far as I can tell it was mentioned in one episode. It has never actually been done by the Enterprise(At least as far as I know).
Only one ISD was severely damaged in TESB (The one in which it’s bridge was knocked clean off). The turbolasers on the rest of the IDS’s managed to vaporize any asteroids before they could hit.
The idea that the phaser banks can lay waste to the surface of the planet is a theory, and as far as I can tell it was mentioned in one episode. It has never actually been done by the Enterprise(At least as far as I know).
Only one ISD was severely damaged in TESB (The one in which it’s bridge was knocked clean off). The turbolasers on the rest of the IDS’s managed to vaporize any asteroids before they could hit.
Since a photon torpedo can carry a warhead of up to 40-50 megatons, it would be possible to wipe out all life on Earth with a big enough barrage of them. But it would take hundreds of them to do so – probably more than the 275 total photorp casings carried by a Galaxy-class starship.
I suppose you could lay waste to the rest of the planet with phasers, but it would take a long time.
