Enterprise vs. Star Destroyer

After about the 50 quadrabillionth time that the Enterprise has gone through the cycle of being destroyed and then reassembled…

Troi: Captain, I sense we’re stuck in a temporal time rift, causing us to loop through a cycle of destruction.
Picard: What can we do about it?
Data: Well, sir, if exactly at 4.598 seconds after the temporal rift occurs, we should be able to reprogram a photon torpedo with a time-altering warhead and fire behind us, so the next temporal rift will close the next time we are destroyed and reassembled.
Picard: Make it so.
Wesley: Sir, I have a role to do…I’m supposed to screw everything up right about now!
Picard: (Sigh) launch him with the torpedo.
Wesley: AAAHH!!!

Aboard the ISD…

Captain: Lord Vader, we appear to be stuck in a situation similar to that of Groundhog Day!
Vader: That was a great movie…
Captain: We need to find a way out or we will be eternally blasting the Enterprise to bits over and over and over and over again.
Vader:…I’d really like to rob a bank and not get in trouble…and I wonder what it would be like to die and be alive the next day…
Captain: Let’s ask the Enterprise what it feels like!

Aboard the Enterprise…

Picard: Damn that Wesley! He threw the torpedo off course…

“Q! This is your doing!” exclaimed Picard.
Q appeared leaning over Picard’s command chair. “Why, Jean-Luc! I’m crushed!”
“Mr. Dater!” Demanded Picard in the silly-for-a-Frenchman English accent, “When will we begin the cycle again?”
“In 1.9999999999999999999999…”
“TWO, You cross between a microwave and a boom-box, the answer is two!”

A flash of light. Q and Picard are standing beside Darth Vader, who began writing “I Hate Star Trek” repeadedly on the bulkhead with a piece of black chalk. “Captain Picard. What an annoying torpedo. But now, you seem to Be At My Mercy.”

“Mr. Worf.”
Worf took a step towards Vader and froze. “I…” he struggled to speak, “will kill you…right here…”
“And now I shall take control of your vessel, Captain.”
“Vader! No!” exclaimed Picard.
Vader pressed a switch.

“Thank you for pressing the self destruct button. This ship will self distruct if five (5) minutes. Have a nice day!”

“The Hell is that?” muttered Vader.
“The computer, you idiot!” screamed Riker.

Flash.

Picard, Riker and the rest of the crew were aboard the Imperial cruiser.
“Q!” cried out, “You blithering idiot! You’ve changed crews and ships!”
“Not grammatically or logically correct, Jean-Luc, old sod,” quipped Q, to change ships AND crew, everyone would be where they belonged. Much more interesting this way."
“Captain,” asked the prepetually confused Troi, “What does this lever do?”
“NO!” screamed Riker, “For G-d’s sake don’t let her drive!”
The Crusier leapt to top speed, on a collison course with Enterprise.
“Captain,” remarked the Android, “We are on a collison…”
“I can read, Mr. Dater! Now stop the ship!”
“I shall attempt to, Sir, put this controls are far away from the Enterprises and a long time…” The frown from Picard stopped him cold, and he muttered a colorful metaphor under his breath.

“Lt. Chicago.” Intoned Vader.
“I am Lt. Detroit, Sir, You zapped Lt. Chicago yesterday when he only put one coat of wax on you fighter.”
“Whoever. Whatever. I hate Star Trek” mumbled Vader.

The Crusier impacted Enterprise just as the self destruct mechanism exploded.

Flash.

Picard rubbed his eyes. “Not again, Mr. Dater?”

“Not exactly, Sir. The release of energy has sealed the tim continum flux wormhole thingie, fried our Zilch coils and returned both ships to their proper time, space, movie theater, whatever.”

“Theatre.” Corrected Picard.

“No! Not again! I hate star trek!” Vader began jumping up and down. “Kill! Kill! Ki…what happened?”

“The relase of energy has…”

“AND I don’t want to hear any Star Trek techno babble! What happened?”

“Ah, Sir, well. Err, ah…the enemy is destroyed, Sir.” improvised Lt. Chicago or Detroit, your humble author has lost track of who (whom?) Darth Vader zapped when under what circumstances, stepping between Vader and the instruments.

Vader smiled (as if we would know, but one can’t keep on writing ‘he said’). “Set a course for the Rebel Base. Any Rebel Base. Find me something to shoot at on the way.”

“Captain,” Data intoned in his annoying voice, “I have calculated that there is a 99.9999999999999…”

“One hundred.” muttered Picard.

“Percent chance” continued Data some time and repeating digits later “that the Wesley torpedo may have followed us through the rift if that is so…if that is so…if that is so…”

To be continued?

“Lord Vader!” exclaimed lt. Chicago or Detroit, “We are detecting a massive energy buildup a thousand kilometers to port!”
“What the hell is going on now…” Mutters Vader…

Aboard the Enterprise…

“Captain! The Wesley Torpedo opened a black hole energy rift in the fabric of the space/time continuum…we’re being sucked in…!”

5 seconds later…

“What! My head is on the body of that wuss Picard!” Exclaimed the misplaced Vader mask…

“Wow! I feel energies coursing through my body…wait a minute…I’m more than half machine!” Declared the waxed shiny head of Picard.

And what is the fate of the Enterprise and the ISD in this unusual (Yet it has happened somewhat in ST episodes of Voyager…) mix-up in universes?

While Picard is trying to figure out his new cyborg-Sith body, Ren and Stimpy run by with armloads of dirty left-foot socks. They drop them at the feet of Darth Picard and light them on fire.

“What are you doing?” Darth Picard demands.

“Cooking some cat litter!” Stimpy says, pulling out a bag of, yes, cat litter. He tosses the cat litter on the fire, and the resulting chemical reaction causes a wham-dingy in the shiftal fluxteration of the time/space continuum’s voctronical equinoxical stability. Every particle in the universe is instantly transformed into an inky-dinky can of Spam. The universe exists like this for five seconds (no more, no less) before everything shifts back to normal… or… IS it normal?

Picard kicked a can of Spam out of his way and sighed.
“Open a comlin…channel, Mr. Worf.”
Darth Vader’s visage appeared on the viewscreen. “What is it NOW?”
“Our recent experience has caused me to pose a question for you, Mr. Vader. Have you ever seen Wesley Crusher and Luke Skywalker together at the same time?”
“S–t.” Sighed Darth Vader.
“I’m getting a very bad feeling about this.” muttered Riker, “oh no…OH NO!”
“And that means…” Picard suggested to Vader.
Vader frowned (I think, it’s hard to tell) “That we are anthesis…antheses…the same person but different. You, icky and good, I cool and evil. What about the pesky Yoda and that obnoxious Dater? err, Data?”
“Found us out, you have.” Mumbled Data/Yoda “3.14159287…”
“What is it, Mr. Dater?” inquired Picard.
“Nonrepeating decimals talking backwards how difficult it is any idea?”
Picard said a very bad word.
“And what am I, chopped liver?” demanded Troi.
Vader eyed Troi. “Mother?”
Chewbacca was staring a Worf.
“No!” screamed Worf, “No! I’m going to kill this thread, right now!”
And he did.

Riker: “… where are we?”
Chewee: “Whrrrrraaaaaawwwwwooooooo!”
Worf: “We seem to be floating in nothingness sir.”
Troi: “I sense a great deal of nothingness Commander.”

Riker: “Dammit woman, thats because you’re not wearing anything,…er…, um, say, why don’t we look for a utility closet or something?”

Darth: “Damn, now i’ll never get to blow anything up, without my ship, i’ll just settle for using the force on all of you, mwa ha ha ha ha!”

Data: “Technically you can not Mr. Vader. It is improbable that the force will…gurgle…urr…grog…”

Riker: “I never like that droid anyway…”
Picard: “Thats enough, i’m going off to do some Broadway, anyone want to join me?”

Darth: “Nah, i think i’ll stick to Phone Commercials, i like these phone thingies :slight_smile: maybe i can auction off this damned uncomfortable uniform, say, who are your tailors?”

Wesley: “MOMMEEEEEEEEEE!”
Dr.Crusher: “Not…now…(heavy panting)… son, i’m… (more heavy panting)…busy with…the …cap-…OOOOHHHH…-tain.”
(flash)
Darth: “Damn trek!”

Worf: “Grrrrrr!”
Chewee: "Wwroooowrrrrr!
Tasha Yar: “Hi, how’d you guys finally find me?”
Data: “Tasha! this doesn’t calculate!!!”
(blink)

…nothingness.

:smiley:

weirddave, A for effort, man! It was good… but I stopped reading after yours. I understand you wanted to be ‘serious’.

Esprix

Troi: Darth, I wanted you to know that I feel that we have made great progress in your therapy.

Vader: Really?

Troi: Yes, we have. Now, I am going to show you some ink blots, and I want you to tell me what they remind you of, okay?

Vader: Sure…That one is the Ent…(cough) a Rebel ship exploding…A planet crushed by the Deathstar…another crushed planet…a pile of dead ewoks…

Troi: I think that’s enough of that. Now, you seem to have placed certain events in your life into what you can “episodes”, that are not numbered chronologically. Could you explain that?

Vader: I’m not sure why they are called epidodes…My Deathstar was destroyed in Episode I; was nearly succesfull in Episode II; I died in Episode III after being reunited with myson…I met Obe-Wan in Episode I and my Mother died in Episode II.

Troi: Yet you do not remember how she died. Who was Obe-wan?

Vader: A man who taught me about the Force in Episode II.

(Troi’s eyes narrow)

Troi: Darth, tell me about Obi-Wan and the “Force”.

Vader: Most of that was in Episode II, which hasn’t been filmed yet.

Troi: What did Obe-Wan…force you to do?

Vader: Are you deaf or stupid? I told you, Episode II hasn’t been written yet!

Troi: Darth, are there many things about your relationship with Obe-Wan that or episode two you cannot remember?

(Vader sighs)

Troi: I’d like to hypnotize you and see if we can help you recall some of the abuse er, recall episode two. Now, watch my com badge on the chain. You are getting sleepy, you are
remembering…

Vader: zzzzzzzzzz

(BEEP) “Bridge to Counselor Troi.”
Troi: Commander, I’m rather busy now.

Riker: It’s an emergency, Troi, and it will only take a moment.

(Editorial aside: Would anyone except Troi fall for this? Maybe Wesley.)

Troi: On my way. I’ll be right back, Darth.

Vader: zzzzzzzzzzz

(moments after Troi leaves, Riker arrives. Cut to Troi reentering.)

Troi: No one of the bridge knew what it was about…

Riker: Darth, get me a cup of coffee.

Vader: Yes, Master.

Troi: TOM! Sometimes you make me SO mad!

Great. Counselor Troi has been replaced with an “Eliza” program.

It is a bit of an improvement…

Vader glanced about the ship. Was this the real time line?
He was in his own body.
He was not floating in space babbling about working for a com link company.
He was not a can of Spam.
The Enterprise was not being destroyed and reappearing.
There was no obnoxious Troi asking him about his Mother.
One last check.
“Lt. Detroit, are you alive?”
“Yes Sir.”
“Excellent!” Vader smiled beneath his helmet. “Prepare for the destruction of the planet…any planet, I don’t care.”
“Yes Sir, Lord Vader.”
“Oh, and bring me some tea.”
“Tea, Sir?”
“Yes, Earl Grey, hot.”

  • Damnit. *

im done. too much pain in my gut to keep reading this stuff now. :smiley: good laughs fellas.

Yeah, I think this thread’s kinda dying out. I’m impressed… I was expecting just a few responses, and here I get 250.

Kudos to all the imaginations out there!! 'Twas fun as hell, even if we all didn’t see eye-to-eye.

Okay, then, Spoofe, new scenario:

Both the Enterprise NCC-1701-D and the Imperial Star Destroyer know the full extent of each others’ capabilities, and have adequate time to prepare battle tactics. They have not, however, had any opportunity (or success) in duplicating any part of each others’ technology. They both decide to destroy the other ship, if the other ship cannot be captured; there will be no initial hails, and no negotiations. They meet in orbit around some Earth-like planet, each expecting the other with all systems and weapons armed and ready.

NOW who will win?

me, i win, 'cause i’m really a Q, and i just wipe the pallate clean and take all the pretty women with me and go home.

:smiley: ok, more on the tab here…

How about we eliminate the force, and any other crew/person/being other then the crew of the two ships, (no guinan), no communications outside their ships, no tie fighters or shuttles, no tachyon particles to form time space continuim twists, just ship/crew to ship/crew.
Darth has no force to use, he’s just big bad meany.
I’m for that.

Well, Tracer:

If they know everything about each other, the ISD would be expecting ranged photorp attacks, and would prepare accordingly.

The Enterprise would expect microjump maneuvers and would prepare accordingly.

It’s pretty much a stalemate on either side until someone comes up with really unorthodox strategies, which would probably lean the favor of battle towards the Enterprise.

Now, we could add a little spice to this and pick a specific ISD (Like the Devastator, Avenger, Conquest, etc.) which would give us a better comparison. Since Devastator is a flagship, it would have the best trained, most efficient crew possible, which would put it more on par with the Enterprise (also a flagship).

But don’t you think this would escalate into a full scale war between the Empire and the Federation?

How would they prepare for attacks from warp-speed weapons fired from a warp-speed ship? They can’t do a microjump once every second, can they?

Okay, okay, Tracer’s scenario…

The Star Destroyer (Let’s say the Devastator… that was the ship that capture the Tantive IV at the very beginning of Episode IV) has a good-sized knowledge of the Enterprise (layout, crew complement, etc.), but not INTIMATE knowledge (where specific power relays are, who sleeps where, crew shifts, etc). And vice versa. They’re given time to prepare a battle plan with this valuable information, and they have a battlefield already chosen (let’s say Q or whatever imprinted that notion into everyone’s head). We have standard, well-trained crews, each quite capable with his or her duties onboard the ship. Now how do things play out?

Well, now this is a lot more interesting. A lot more variables here, dozens of likely ways that either ship can win, and probably hundreds of unlikely ways.

Okay, the battleground is an Earth-like planet… breathable atmosphere, one good-sized moon, no weird rings or energy zones surrounding it, no quantum fissures… standard, boring stuff. So many possibilities, so many possibilities…

One scenario might go like this: The Enterprise arrives in orbit around the planet just as the Devastator arrives on the opposite side. The E’s sensors are able to detect the ship on the opposite side, while the D’s sensors aren’t (I don’t think they’re capable… I’ve never seen any evidence that they are). The E separates, the saucer section going one way and the nacelle section going the other (they also launch their shuttlecraft to take other routes around the planet). They all pop over the horizon at the same instant, firing phasers, torpedoes, and what have you. This is kept up for several seconds before the D begins getting too close to one of the sections (probably the saucer section… it’s more vulnerable). The saucer section backs off, still firing torpedoes and phasers (if the saucer section doesn’t carry photon torpedoes, just ignore that). The D can’t perform a microjump since it’s too close to a gravity well, so it begins pulling to a higher orbit. Meanwhile, the TIE fighters, gunboats, blastboats, etc. have been pounding on the shuttlecraft… maybe even destroying one or two. The ones that aren’t destroyed return to the saucer section, promptin the TIE’s to begin attacking the nacelle section. This effectively draws the nacelle section out of the fight for a while. In the meantime, the D has pulled out of the planet’s gravity well and is capable of a microjump… the saucer section doesn’t know this, and therefore isn’t anticipating the microjump that pulls the D right up next to it. The D locks on all tractor beams, isolating the saucer section into place (it’s impulse engines wouldn’t be able to break, and it can’t go to warp by itself). The D opens up with full guns… and half the Enterprise goes up in smoke. While this is happening, the nacelle section has managed to swat down the smaller ships that have been bugging it with minimal damage to itself. Now it’s a slugfest 'tween the Devastator, with some battle damage, and the Enterprise’s nacelle section… the section with most of the weaponry, power, and defenses, I might add.

What happens next? I dunno. Now would be a good time for the nacelle section to fly around in warp, dropping torpedoes as it does so.

I can post more scenarios/possible scenarios tomorrow… it’s late, and I’m going to bed, with visions of Star Destroyers dancing in my head. Good night, everybody!

I personally think that separating the saucer section would be a very bad move – unless you separate long before the battle and leave the saucer section someplace safe to protect all the civilians and families on board. As you mentioned, the saucer section does not have warp drive, which makes it a sitting duck for the Star Destroyer to pound on. It also lacks any torpedo launchers (both the forward and the aft photorp launch tubes are on the secondary hull), and its phaser emitter ring packs neither the punch nor the faster-than-light capability of good old-fashioned photon torpedoes. Feh. There’s a reason the lower half of the ship is referred to as the “battle section,” and its bridge the “battle bridge,” when the Enterprise is separated.

Thanks, Tracer, for clarifying. And you’re right, of course… the saucer is where all the “civilian” stuff goes on while the battle section has all the war stuff.

A good tactic for the Enterprise would be to try to engage the Devastator with the battle section and use the saucer section to take out the support ships. Not the ideal vessel to take out starfighters, but it (and its’ shuttles) should be able to take out a TIE fighter (and maybe a gunboat or two… though the Skipray blastboats can do it some serious damage).

The battle section of the E would be better off without the saucer slowing it down… it’d be less of a target, would be able to strengthen the shields, be more maneuverable, etc.

I just looked up the allocation of equipment between the battle section and the saucer section in the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual. Turns out, the battle section does have phaser emitter arrays – in fact, it is bristling with phasers. However, each battle section phaser emitter array is much shorter than the main circular emitter arrays on the top and bottom of the saucer section. Thus, each phaser on the battle section has fewer emitter array segments that can combine their firepower together into a single, focused beam.

Not that the phasers on either section would be useful if the ship was travelling faster-than-light, of course.