Epstein was probably the highest-profile most well connected criminal in the country. One who had yet to testify at trial. This together with his prior suicide attempt, then days later being taken off of suicide watch, and then provided with the means to hang himself certainly creates a suspicion imo. Definitely needs investigation.
Even Trump must have realized it would be suspicious to tweet about Epstein’s death before it happened.
So this woman didn’t accuse Clinton or Trump. And from this, you conclude Clinton must be guilty and Trump must be innocent.
From all appearance, Trump actually is one of the few high profile people who didn’t like Epstein.
Amazingly.
Though, as noted earlier, that apparently wasn’t always the case.
Most of Epstein’s high profile friends, including Trump, stopped liking him around 2006.
LOL, good one. ![]()
There are suspicious facts surrounding this death and none point to Clinton involvement.
In the little backwater county where I was involved in the legal system for 20 years, this death would never have occurred. This was a high profile inmate. He was suicidal.
Even those of us peripherally involved with inmate custody understand that alleged pedophiles pose a particular risk of harm when housed in a general jail/prison population. They have targets on their backs as a matter of honor among other inmates in custody. That he was a highly publicized inmate put him doubly at risk. For these reasons alone, he should have been held in administrative segregation from day one, not housed with a cellmate accused of murdering 4 police officers.
Once it was established he was suicidal, he should have been monitored 24/7. He wasn’t.
Why did Bill Barr take such a particular interest in where Epstein was housed pending trial proceedings, removing him from Rikers? That fact alone is jaw dropping, that the highest level official in the land would involve himself in housing decisions routinely and solely determined by the Federal Bureau of Prisons.
Why was Epstein initially placed with a potentially dangerous cellmate?
After the July 23rd incident, why was he not constantly monitored in ad seg? Whether he was attacked or attempted suicide, he was clearly at risk of one danger or the other.
Why was he given materials that could be used to commit suicide? I heard someone this morning who had spent time in that facility say that the bedding was as flimsy as paper, not useful for hanging oneself, by design. If true, what materials did Epstein have/use to hang himself?
Who had the access and authority to create these dangerous conditions?
Why was Trump so eager to propagate the Clinton conspiracy theory, and so immediately after the Epstein death? I agree with others that Trump’s propensity for projection adds to the suspicious nature of this. Taken alone, it would not mean much. But when taken with other known facts, well…
With Barr at the helm, there is no chance we’ll have a clean investigation into this. Even if we do, it would be a heavy lift to prove outside encouragement to suicide that would rise to the level of a chargeable crime.
Nice diversion for Trump and McConnell from white supremacist shootings, though, and convenient for a lot of powerful men in this country.
There are lots of very powerful people who are glad that Epstein is dead and want the whole matter to be buried with him.
Very likely it will be.
Trump banned Epstein from Mar a Lago in 1999* and cut business ties in 2004. He also was apparently happy to speak to lawyers for people suing Epstein.
Both Clinton and Trump have associated with Epstein, they’ve both ridden on his plane, they’ve both attended his parties. Only one of them has boasted about visiting the Miss Teen USA beauty pageant dressing room; which one was that?
The NYT has reported that the way he was housed goes against standard protocol for his jailers: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/11/nyregion/epstein-death-manhattan-correctional-center.html
It’s ridiculous to think that Bill Clinton, who’s been out of office for eighteen years, would have the power to arrange to have somebody killed in prison.
It’s suspicious whenever somebody starts naming suspects before there’s even an official accusation that a crime has occurred. It’s a sign that somebody had foreknowledge of the crime and knew he would be a suspect in the eventual investigation.
No doubt a lot of people are glad that Epstein is dead. The question is who will be glad when the investigation into his death is closed.
Well, there is a lot we don’t know about yet, but just based on what we know so far, it appears that Clinton has lied about the trips he took on Epstein’s plane. That’s just a little suspicious.
There is also the comment from Nancy Pelosi’s daughter predicting that “some of our faves” would end up being implicated in the Epstein case. OK, maaaaybe she was talking about Bill Richardson and George Mitchell, but I suspect she had someone else in mind.
9/11 was convenient for a lot of warmongers. It doesn’t follow that said warmongers blew up the towers.
I’m not saying that it’s impossible that Epstein was whacked. I’m just saying I’d like to see some evidence. A bunch of people would have to be in on it. Guards would need to be bribed, security measures circumvented. But so far I’m seeing nothing but people Just Asking Questions.
If there’s actually evidence, I’m open minded. But right now suicide seems the most likely explanation.
Lol at your joke, though.
I was reading a book on the Renaissance when I picked my name. I don’t really like it but after 19 years it feels like my board identity now.
This is what I think as well. Epstein fit the profile of somebody who would commit suicide. And I don’t think there was any plan to make it easy for him to kill himself.
Killing Epstein while he was being guarded in prison would have required competence. Epstein being able to kill himself while people were trying to keep him alive would have required incompetence. And I find it a lot more plausible to attribute incompetence to the current administration than competence.
Tell me about it. I happened to be reading a Winsor McCay book the day I picked a new username and here I am twenty years later.
And if I was OldGuy when I became a charter member, just think of how old I must be now.
Hey, what’s up with that asterisk after 1999? Is that a typo? Or did you intend to provide a footnote or something? Are there cites for these claims?
I don’t think Epstein was ‘whacked’. But I wouldn’t be surprised if some lawyer didn’t pass along a message to him that all his friends have turned against him, that they’ll make sure his family will go through hell if he testifies, that he’ll be whacked in prison for sure anyway, and it would just be peachy for everyone if he took the honorable way out. Then all they had to do was bribe an administrator or just convince the guards to look the other way.
See ‘The Godfather Part II’ for instructions on how to do this. Frank Pentangeli went out that way.
We should keep an eye on the people who’ve talked to Epstein recently and see if any of them turn up dead. After all, if somebody passed a message like this to Epstein they wouldn’t want a witness left.