Epstein Suicide

Then take the word of the FBI, the medical examiner, and the staff who’ve admitted that it was a colossal screwups.

Being found with neck injuries consistent with self-inflicted hanging in a solitary unit is evidence of attempted suicide.

Source for what you “heard”?

Asked and answered. His lawyers requested he be taken off watch, and the guards have admitted to slacking off.

You posit the existence of an outside interloper entering a maximum security facility, accessing a solitary unit, manually asphyxiating a man, staging a suicide, and leaving without any witnesses or records of his presence. This is comparable to asserting that nobody noticed bombs were being planted in the World Trade Center.

Hoe does an inmate get into someone else’s solitary unit?

You’d think that one person would know that Epstein dying would ensure any evidence Epstein had wouldn’t be subject to Fourth Amendment scrutiny.

If the intent was to kill Epstein and make it look like a suicide, why would it be done in such a way that leaves such blatant points of “evidence”? Why not ensure that all the watch records were up to date, the guards had their stories straight, and the autopsy report was concise and unquestioning? You may as well assert that Epstein was a crisis actor.

I’m not the only one asking questions, by the way. Here is the text of the letter sent from the House Judiciary Committee to the Acting Director of the Bureau of Prisons posing 23 questions to be answered.

Please note it is jointly signed by both the Chairman and the Ranking Member of the Minority.

Not really the same thing as a “truther” CT, is it?

Sorry, I didn’t realize you were Just Asking Questions.

Carry on, then.

Your source for the word of the FBI? If you have such information, by all means link to it.

The medical examiner has not yet issued any formal ruling re cause of death.

Your source for the staff who’ve “admitted” that it was a colossal screw up? Again, if you have such information, linking to it would be helpful.

The neck injuries are not entirely consistent with self-inflicted hanging. Hence the ‘undetermined’ designation by the medical examiner to date. You seem to want to conveniently ignore this.

It was on the news. Sorry you missed hearing it. But here you go.

Lawyers don’t determine whether an inmate is taken off suicide watch. There is a protocol for making this determination, irrespective of what the lawyers requested.

I’m sure the guards did slack. Was it known they did this? Was it a regular occurrence? And if so, apparently they did get away with falsifying records for some time, didn’t they?

Nope. Where did I ever invoke an “outside interloper?” Now you’re just making stuff up. One sympathetic guard is all it would take.

It’s unlikely and I readily admit that. But my ‘most likely scenario’ doesn’t involve direct murder. I have maintained ad nauseam that I believe Esptein most likely died by his own hand, his suicidal tendencies deliberately exploited for the purpose.

One does wonder, doesn’t one? The one thing we know about the Trump Administration is, they are fairly incompetent. How long did it take us to figure out we were being lied to by Barr with the Mueller report?

I think you took my meaning out of context by only partial quoting. Not really cricket.

Really?

Our society despises those who exploit/rape children. That’s what Epstein is accused of. Give the vitriol exhibited towards pedophiles it’s within reason that he was left alone because someone working at the prison literally didn’t care if such “scum” killed himself or not. It doesn’t take a massive conspiracy, just malicious indifference.

I Tried to Tell the World About Epstein’s Jail. No One Wanted to Listen.
The Metropolitan Correctional Center has become notorious for decades of inhumane treatment.

My bold.

Well, gee whiz. Why wouldn’t such words of comfort be good enough?

The ME’s final report is out.

The verdict?

Suicide by hanging.

In the IMHO poll thread, I did opine that he likely killed himself, and was likely able to do so due to run-of-the-mill incompetence/negligence on the part of jailhouse staff.

Nowhere have I argued hotly in favor of a suicide ruling; I have only argued in favor of acknowledging that a finding of broken bones in Epstein’s neck does absolutely nothing to differentiate between suicide and homicide.

Part of my annoyance is with MSN for suggesting that such a finding somehow deepens the mystery surrounding his death. The other part of my annoyance is ThelmaLou’s implication (“The plot thickens”) that this finding casts any kind of doubt on the possibility of suicide. She cited MSN’s lame-ass editorializing (“deepening the mystery about the circumstances around his death”) as some kind of evidence that justified her spreading rumors on a site that is dedicated to ascertaining and spreading facts. When I called her on it, she resorted to the miscreant schoolchild’s time-honored defense:

:rolleyes:

Stay classy.

I’m only hooman.

What did the Mueller Report prove after 2 years?

Massive incompetence in the Trump administration as well as mssive obstructions of justice.

I don’t understand the point you are trying to make by asking this question.

Not really the paragon of high-quality media, but TheSun(uk) is reporting that the closed-circuit footage from The Big Epstein’s ultimate evening is damaged and unusable.

(is “footage” even a meaningful term anymore?)

If this is true, and If bad recordings haven’t been an ongoing problem at the facility (which the article suggests is a possibility) then I may move a little closer to the tin foil hat crowd on this one. It’s just one more way too convenient thing.

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This just in: Celebrity pathologist Michael Baden says the autopsy points to homicide, not suicide. (NYT, may be behind paywall.)

According to Baden, Epstein

I would like to know who ended up with all the video that Epstein recorded of his guests.

“Celebrity pathologist” is not a description that inflates my confidence in his conclusions.

My term. I don’t know much about his reputation among his peers, I only know he’s appeared on lots of TV shows about famous cases, going back decades. As soon as I heard that some pathologist was questioning the official story, I thought of him, because he’s the only pathologist I can name.

Here’s his Wikipedia page and his IMDb page.

I know you didn’t mean it to sound skeevy, but you might want to reword this…

? I think the question is clear.