I agree that Montana was the most consistent and effective QB. But the stats show that Elway was not really as effective as believed until later in his career. Favre has indeed had some terrible years, even as recently 1999 and 2000, but 2001 was a stellar year and this year is turning out to be, possibly his best since 1996.
And I also agree, although I am a dedicated (though displaced) Cheesehead, that the media attention on Favre is overbearing much of the time. Not his fault, though.
Of course, that same point can be made to argue Marino’s greatness. Opposing D’s never had to gameplan around anything other than stopping the pass when playing the Dolphins and Marino still set records out the wazoo.
Possibly, but if the Fins built there O-line around a pass protection theme then any good quarterback with enough time can find a quality reciever even when the defense knows it’s coming.
Look at Lynn Dickeys numbers with the Packers. Good pass protection, good recievers, no running game. Lots of yards through the air though.
What was Bart Stars’ saying? “You can lick my back but you can’t lick my Dickey.” (back- as in running back, heh.)
A good running game helps the passing game, and vice-versa. For anyone to tremendously excel at one when there is a serious deficiency at the other requires very special players. The only current example I can think of is Jamal Lewis 2000 yard season while playing with the anemic Ravens’ passing offense. Lynn Dickey may be an exception (I haven’t looked at his numbers) and there probably are a few others, but for the most part I think it holds true.
For those of you who think Marino doesn’t even belong in the discussion of the best QBs of all time – Then you should easily be able to come up with a pretty sizeable list of QBs better than him. I’d be interested in seeing it.
A friend directed me to this thread, and I just had to come and say it really makes my holiday to see such brilliant Favre hatred. The cock sucking was immeasurable this week, and unbelievable. Here’s Brett Favre, who was…no arguements, SUCKING on Sunday night. In front of a national audience, his play was LAUGHABLE. CHAD HUTCHINSON played better than Brett Favre, but when he gets yanked for a back up (finally shutting everyone up about that stupid as selfish record he had going…yes selfish: playing injured and staying in games when your team needs to win is SELFISH. I can’t wait for him to miss a start. I love when cocky sons of bitches taste failure).
Anyway; THE ANNOUNCERS WERE STILL SAYING HOW GREAT HE WAS.
“Here’s a guy who’s such a team player he knows when to quit!”
Wait…which is it. He’s a flesh and blood God because he never quits? Or his the messiah because he DOES quit?
He plays fantastically when his dad dies because the memory fuels him. Sucks when his brother in law dies because the grief crushes him. WHICH THE FUCK IS IT? Great under pressure or sucky?
And, like Hollywood forgets John Travolta was in movies like Moment by Moment, everyone seems to forget that Favre is an admitted drug addict and alcoholic.
That’s what everyone wants their kids to grow up to be? I’ll pass.
Bears suck ass this year, you don’t have to tell me twice…but it’s nice to see Brett stumbling, it might shut John Maddens cum filled gullet for five fucking minutes.
Couple points. Someone mentioned they couldn’t see the game because they didn’t have cable, but they were in Wisconsin. All NFL games are televise for free in the local markets. When the Giants are on ESPN, it is simulcast on the local UPN affiliate, WWOR channel 9. I’m 99% sure they do this in all markets, so you should have been able to see it regardless of your cable situation, or lack thereof.
There was some debate about who had the better game; Favre or Carr. The exhaustive list of stats were posted, and yet no agreement was reached. This reminds me of a thread last year that pitted the passer rating system used by the NFL. I posted a lengthy, layman term explanation of how and why the formula works, and the basic response was “Thanks, that what informative, but why do you need it? Why can’t you just look at the raw stats.” This thread contains a perfect example of why you can’t just look at the raw stats. Calculate the passer rating on both of their stats and you have an objective, and official, ranking on who did better that night.