Perhaps Caitlyn Jenner’s greatest service to humankind will be serving as the big neon arrow pointing at all the assholes.
Like you, OP. You’re a shitty human being. I ain’t mad about it, I just want you to know.
Thank you, and good night.
Not only that, but we have an athlete who won what is widely considered to be the single most challenging competition in all of Olympic sports. While the winner of the 100m sprint might get a bit more exposure, the winner of the decathlon is often described as the world’s greatest athlete.
This person, who accomplished a feat widely associated with physical prowess—and, particularly, with masculine physical prowess, given that the decathlon has generally been a male-only event—has now openly and publicly declared herself as transgender. That takes courage, and it also helps to break down long-held cultural assumptions about what constitutes gender in the first place. I think she’s a perfect recipient for the award.
To the extent i feel any ambivalence about the whole thing, it has to do with the Kardashian connection, and the fact that Bruce was, and Caitlyn is, a part of this egregiously self-promoting clan of talentless dropkicks. I disliked the person who was Bruce for his role in the whole Kardashian thing before i ever knew about the transgender issue, and while i have a lot of respect for Caitlyn’s decision to come out as she has, it doesn’t completely remove the taint of reality star douchebaggery. Maybe that’s another benefit of the whole thing: it’s one more piece of evidence that these gender issues affect all types of people, even self-absorbed reality star douchebags.
It’s the opposite of cisscending.
Caitlyn Jenner could do for transgendered people what Jackie Robinson did for black people. Or what Arthur Ashe did for people with AIDS. A popular athlete helps the public accept something which it had been having difficulty with. And in each case there will be some people who have more difficulty with acceptance.
Thanks, Captain Obvious.
I’m sure if it weren’t for some kids dying of cancer you’d dig up another “more worthy” candidate.
The best thing you could do for your son is to help him get over his desire to conform to stupid gender stereotypes. Mutilation is not the answer.
You are an ass.
And Caitlyn Jenner is assuredly the best candidate for the Ashe Award that I can think of: bringing awareness, understanding, and maybe acceptance to gender identity issues. Cool.
Would you support Lauren Hill for the award, and if so, how do you think that cancer is related to sports in a way that being transgender is not?
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Spectacular response. But not in a good way. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Bravo.
I think it’s quite appropriate to give the award to Caitlyn Jenner. Of course we all sympathize with cancer patients, which is why giving the award to a cancer victim/patient/survivor doesn’t make as much sense. There is nobody rooting against cancer patients. Nobody thinks their struggle is sinful or immoral. The cancer patient doesn’t have to overcome self doubts about whether or not to seek treatment. The cancer patient doesn’t have to worry about whether seeking treatment will hurt his or her family. The cancer patient can count on their families and communities rallying around them. Not so much the transgender person.
It’s a nitpick, but that’s not true about Robin Roberts. From Wikipedia, “she went on to become a standout performer on the women’s basketball team [at Southeastern Louisiana University], ending her career as the school’s third all-time leading scorer (1,446 points) and rebounder (1,034). Roberts is one of only three Lady Lions to score 1,000 career points and grab 1,000 career rebounds. During her senior season, she averaged a career-high 15.2 points per game. On February 5, 2011, Southeastern hosted a ceremony to retire Roberts’ jersey, number 21.”
Dude, you’re an asshole.
Fair enough.
Jenner is the obvious choice for the award.
Any of these threads dealing with this topic have the propensity to bring out the lot of them. Just consider it the equivalent of a head’s up on who to avoid before they shit in a punch bowl at the party.
As to ESPN, I applaud their choice. Caitlyn Jenner is a perfect fit for the Ashe award.
My vote would have gone to Noah Galloway. Badly wounded, missing limbs and he chose to attack and excel at physically challenging sports and art.
Jenner made an amazing statement but she still was so much a part of that Reality “I NEED ATTENTION” Kardashian mess these last few years that it takes some of the shine off of her choice.
It’s like she’s saying -
I’M GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD
… and get tons of attention and a boatload of money.
I would have had the race, Galloway, Jenner, Hill.
This is why I don’t gamble often.
Well it’s not like these other people’s accomplishments will be invalid next year. ESPN is in the business of promoting ESPN, after all. Their interests lined up with one particular amazing athlete this year more than some others. So maybe next year it can be Lauren Hill, Noah Galloway or Jim Kelley. This year it worked out best to be Caitlyn Jenner.
What do you think Mr. Galloway did last year that is a “significant or compelling humanitarian contribution in transcendence of sports”?
Playing sports? Being handicapped? :dubious:
He threw assholes into a quarry. Surprised you made it out.
Other than that, he had the shit blown out of him and decided that he not only wouldn’t quit, he would excel. I’m sorry that my number two vote for Jenner wasn’t good enough for you.
Ah, I can just feel all the love…
All joking aside, you can disagree with me all you like - I expected it when I made this post. But there’s no need for personal insults. I won’t do that to you.
I’ve read your arguments and considered them, but you haven’t changed my mind. It has nothing to do with my feelings about the LGBT community and everything to do with my thoughts that this is a publicity grab, not a sports-related award.
FWIW, I’m a bleeding heart, card carrying, liberal Democrat and I thought it was nothing but a publicity grab when Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize for being America’s first black president over other individuals who had made actual contributions to peace. I still feel that way and I rather like Obama. I believe firmly that he was chosen because of his high profile, not because of his accomplishments. And I feel the same way about Jenner.
I’ve not much liked Jenner in recent years, but that has nothing to do with his gender orientation and everything to do with his public persona. He hasn’t come across well in his interactions with own children, and I have grave doubts whether or not he gave any consideration to the effects on his children (and no, I’m not including the Kardashian spawn) of making his recent decisions. They’ve stood behind him publicly, but I have to wonder how much flack they are taking from the outside world. And the cavalier way he has dismissed his culpability in the recent auto accident that took a woman’s life is distasteful to me, too. I’m not seeing a courageous individual here. I’m seeing a self-indulgent one. And I feel that there are other, more worthy, candidates for this award.
You may flame away.