Oh, did that feel good to insult me because I dared to not fawn over a wounded vet? Awwww…
Again I ask: how did Mr. Galloway transcend sports? In what way?
You feel sorry for him? Great. You admire his pluck? Awesome.
But in what way do you think he meets the criteria for THIS award?
It’s a simple, and an honest, question. I see no way that Mr. Galloway “transcended sports”, but all I did was read the wiki article on him; perhaps you have other information that would bring your opinion out of the “kneejerk jingoism” category and into the “reasonable option” category. But I doubt it.
Same here, and with other threads on this board. I dislike reality TV and celebrity culture in general, but many people watch it, and if it’s a way to get them to understand transgender issues the way this board has for me, then good for Caitlin Jenner on doing it.
And somebody’s doing something right if I’m agreeing with Mr Bo, I think that’s unprecedented.
Thought that for a “bleeding heart, card carrying, liberal Democrat” whose feelings have “nothing to do with his gender orientation and everything to do with his public persona,” you might need a little help there. I’m sure all of those were just a minor oversight and not an intentional bullshit gesture to shame. Right?
Since you left out the condescending smilie this time I’ll refrain from alluding to any form of Assholiness.
Merriam Webster
Transcend : to rise above or extend notably beyond ordinary limits.
Rip a few limbs off yerself and show us some excellence in sports. I’m not sure why you are so dead set against Mr. Galloway. Do you feel the same about Jim McLaren, Robin Roberts, and Emmanuel Ofosu Yeboah? Maybe you can start a petition and get their Arthur Ashe Awards disqualified.
But hey, go ahead and beat me up because I thought your hero was only the second most worthy and not the bestest bestest most worthy in the world. You’re gonna have to use a bat though cuz all of the rocks are in the quarry.
WAG, but I think it may be because Lauren Hill was still involved with the sport up until her death.
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It’s a simple, and an honest, question. I see no way that Mr. Galloway “transcended sports”, but all I did was read the wiki article on him; perhaps you have other information that would bring your opinion out of the “kneejerk jingoism” category and into the “reasonable option” category. But I doubt it.
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C’mon, this is just assholish. Triumph over** extreme** adversity is transcending.
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Jenner made an amazing statement but she still was so much a part of that Reality “I NEED ATTENTION” Kardashian mess these last few years that it takes some of the shine off of her choice.
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This feels real to me. Could be my own prejudice at play, I don’t know. The prejudice against media whores, not the transgender-ed. If Jenner had made the decision closer to the end of her career in sports, or had not been involved in reality TV, my initial reaction may have been quite different.
That initial reaction was predicated Jenner being long removed from sports. Then someone linked to past recipients, many who were also long removed…
Long story short, I have no problem now with Jenner being the recipient, but I can respect the opinion that others may have been more deserving. Different strokes and all that.
Jenner’s involvement in reality tv is exactly what gives her the platform to make a difference and “transcend” sports. Without the tv show, younger people would have no idea who she is. Those are the people who matter as they will be ruling the world soon. Who cares what close-minded old people think. They and their generation will be gone soon (thank god).
Anyway, I think you are mistaken. If Jenner had not been involved in reality TV, the decision would still have made headlines. If Rollie Fingers or Goose Gossage or Jim Brown had made that decision, the media would still have been all over it.
What I find amusing about this discussion is that Noah Galloway is primarily known for his participation in a reality show (Dancing with the Stars), as well as for being on MTV’s True Life, another reality show. If being famous for reality T.V. disqualifies you for the award, then I’m not sure why Galloway should be considered over Jenner.
Of course this is not my actual opinion. I think that Noah Galloway would have been a reasonable choice, but that Caitlyn Jenner made a more significant and compelling humanitarian contribution this year.
I don’t think Noah qualifies as he’s not a “sports related person”. He was a soldier who got badly wounded and he’s does some amazing things, but he’s not a sports guy.
He competes in a lot of extreme racing competitions: CrossFit events, Tough Mudders, Spartan races, as well as marathons. That definitely makes him a sports guy, although not at the elite level.
I largely agree with you, but Murderball, which I believe that picture is from won a ton of awards and I wouldn’t be surprised if it won an Espy if the give awards to movies.
I don’t know if Zupan has, but I suspect he himself would question the comparison since he was paralyzed by his own admission due to his and a friend’s stupidity when he got drunk which is a bit different from someone injured in a war where, presumably, he was at least in theory, serving others.
I should say, I personally consider Mark Zupan a hero and inspiration so I don’t mean the above to be an attack on him.
The outrage has nothing to do with Noah Galloway or any other alternate choice, and everything to do with the fact that Caitlyn Jenner is transgender. Caitlyn is the clear, obvious choice for this award, and the only reason that other names are being promoted is because people don’t want her to receive it.
The good news is that ESPN made the right choice, and all the noise on the Internet won’t change that.
How did Mr. Galloway transcend sports by playing sports?
You don’t seem to even grasp the reason that this award exists or what it is awarded for. You’re coming off as bigoted and stupid, and I’m reasonably sure that isn’t what you’re trying to do. So in addition to looking stupid and bigoted, you’re also a failure.
Ddamn. Looks like this just isn’t gonna be you’re thread, and I feel sorry for you for that. So sorry, in fact, that I will reciprocate your good gesture and refrain from labeling you with your achievements here, no matter how much you may deserve it.
Not to mention trying to shame people for insulting him when he deliberately chose to post in the Pit. He gets to rant, but no one else can rant back at him? And he gets to be all passive aggressive with the insults and thinks those don’t count?
I actually did think that, in his first post, pronoun use aside, he made a good point. Until SpoilerV came and explained the purpose of the award, I though he might have been right. It’s this subsequent post that convinces me that he wasn’t just mistaken.
Transcending adversity? Yes. Transcending sports, as is required by the award? No.
Now is it possible to transcend sports in the situation you’ve described? Sure. If he made some big public push for handicapped rights over this, that could count as transcending sports.
But merely playing the sport after injury does not transcend sports. I’m not saying it’s not a huge accomplishment. I’m not saying this shouldn’t be something to be honored. But it doesn’t fit the award as described in this thread.
Heck, I’d love a “played through adversity” award in sports. I find that I only find sports engaging if I can care about the players.
