Yes, that’s true, even though at the moment, the economic situation and dissatisfaction with the political leadership plays a significant part.
As for Israel being safer or not, the grass is always greener. Besides, Israel has been trying for many years to incite French Jews (the third jewish community in the world) to emigrate to Israel.
Also, significant numbers come back to France at some point. You don’t lose your French citizenship just because you emigrate to Israel. But there are no existing official figures about returns.
Question: Did you originally start this thread in order to have a discussion? I’m asking, because most of your posts here actually are bordering on trolling. Your favourite “discussion” tactic is to suggest that some poster who disagrees with you has made some outrageous claim they never made. And if you are asked to back up any of your statements, you duck for a while and then return throwing in some more. What are you trying to achieve?
I want to discuss the implications of the Muslims-destroying-Jews crisis in terms of how it is to be contained, how it affects the Israeli question, and other issues. I keep getting derailed by people standing up and saying we’re not allowed to discuss this because noticing it’s happening is racist.
By the way, this passage is a great example of French nationalist cluelessness:
“We’re so much better than you Americans at detecting and honestly dealing with racism. I can tell because everyone I know is constantly yelling racist things and discriminating against people!”
Really. You’d just love to have a calm, rational discussion about the Muslim Problem, but those mean message board posters are exerting magical ninja powers that somehow take control of your kyboard and prevent you from doing so. Yeah, right.
Go ahead, make your proposals; you’re not obligated to refute every single thing you disagree with, and you’re doing a hopelessly crappy job of it anyway.
But of course, as the old joke goes, you’re not really here for the hunting, are you?
No it isn’t. The Jewish agency, and most Israeli Jewish politicians, encourage Jews to immigrate to Israel now, not in some nebulous future. The Zionist ethos has always been aliyah by choice, not necessity.
Except that you’ve offered no such discussion or analysis. Well, except for “bashing Jews is central to Muslim devotion”, a claim for which you’ve offered no evidence whatsoever. And given the broad generalizations and ridiculous claims you’ve made, I question whether any analysis you proffer is worth reading.
You seem to want solely to denounce antiSemitic violence. Fair enough, I don’t think any poster in this thread would argue that it happens and that it is an evil and that it needs to stop. But denunciation is not a debate nor a discussion. That’s why I suggested, not facetiously, that you take it to the Pit.
None of that is true. No one is disputing that anti-Jewish violence happens, that it is evil, and that it needs to stop. What has happened is that you have misinterpreted or mischaracterized people’s objections to various other things you have said as disputing those things, but this has nothing to do with what people actually said.
The majority of this thread has consisted of you spraying hyperbolic, factually incorrect allegations at all and sundry. But just so we’re clear, I do not in any way dispute the notion that anti-Jewish violence happens, is evil, and needs to stop. What I will dispute is your apparent interpretation that simply calling the source ‘Islam’ does anything particularly useful.
Now, the floor’s yours. What are your proposals, or would you prefer to continue to just hurl invective?
France should stop taking in people without jobs to sit around fuming about Jews all day. France should restructure its economy to encourage employment and restructure its housing strategy to encourage integration of different types of people instead of the formation of ethnic enclaves.
When an attack happens, it should be fully prosecuted, including the home mosque and other institutions that caused it to happen.
People should stop kowtowing to Muslim sensibilities, especially as a reward for violence.
French police should actively try to find racist criminals before they kill someone, e.g. by going undercover as Jews and walking through Muslim neigborhoods and making arrests for whatever crimes occur, then pursuing the trail back to the home mosque of the perpetrator.
France should get its head out of its ass about how it’s a colorblind society where everything is great (except for the cloud of racists constantly keeping the Muslims down who appear when necessary to minimize Jewish problems and then cooperatively evaporate when it’s time to show how much better France is than the U.S.), about the fact that the way Muslims are not integrating into society now is failing, and about the Jewish exodus. This includes people in this thread who are adding to the list of reasons why anti-Jewish violence doesn’t happen or matter.
You persist in repeating this slander. You continue to provide no evidence for it.
As for the rest of your erudite suggestions, I guess I’m not shocked by your “root and branch” approach. Why not simply call for the forcible eviction of all Muslims from France? That’s clearly what you’d prefer.
I think you’re confused – the group being driven out of France is Jews.
Everyone should be entitled to peacefully live where they wish. They’re not entitled to get subsidized to do so, nor to spend their time throwing rocks at schoolchildren.
Holy shit ! You have an actual, valid point ! I’ll be damned.
But then again, it’s not like the State can force people to sell land or flats to Muslims exclusively, or to enforce hiring quotas for Arabs. Well, I mean, it technically *can *- it has all the guns after all. But politically such a measure would go over like a lead balloon filled with uranium. And your fellow travellers would have a field day denouncing preferential treatment for dirty Muzzies, even if it was a soft incentive like tax rebates or cash prizes.
Unlike now, where perpetrators of hate crimes against Jews are awarded an avuncular chuckle and a complimentary croissant, you mean ? :rolleyes:
The fuck is a home mosque ?
Did your eyes just glaze over clairobscur’s last post ? People certainly don’t kowtow to Muslims around here. Quite the opposite. I’m expecting the publishing of the Secret Protocols of the Elders of Mecca any day now.
Hey, it worked in Minority Report !
Half-decent idea, again. I am stunned.
Aaand you sink right back down. You do realize we kind of value such things as free speech and freedom of religion, to some degree ? And that being a Muslim is not a crime per se ?
I agree to this, but not the way you think. I think France really needs to get to fucking grips with its rampant racism - againt Muslims (well, “Arabs”) first and foremost. Wipe that away, and a great many things will improve.
Which doesn’t mean the actually problematic elements within the Muslim community get a pass, you binary so-and-so.