In January, at a ceremony marking the 70th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz death camp, the American businessman Ronald Lauder, who serves as the president of the World Jewish Congress, said acidly of Europe, “It looks more like 1933 than 2015.” He mentioned Jewish children afraid to wear a kippah on the streets of Paris, Budapest, and London; the sacking of Jewish stores; and attacks on synagogues; and he suggested that a slow-motion exodus from Europe was already under way.
“In the U.K., the Jewish Community Security Trust reported more than 1,100 anti-Jewish incidents last year, 81 of which were violent assaults. These incidents ranged from the desecration of Jewish cemeteries to graffiti on Jewish homes to attacks on Jewish schoolchildren to assaults on Jews entering or leaving synagogues. The number of incidents had doubled from 2013, and was the highest figure since the trust began monitoring anti-Semitism in 1984.”
“The Jewish Agency for Israel told ThinkProgress that France became the number one source of immigration to Israel in 2014, when around 7,200 Jews fled homes in Paris and Marseille for cities such as Jerusalem. That’s more than double the number who did so in 2013 (3,200) and triple the amount that came in 2012 (1,900).”
So, as I alluded to in the first post – the people who think that Israel should stop existing as a Jewish state need to address this. If Jews worldwide know that they need a haven to emigrate to in order to prevent being liquidated, then no one is going to consent to dissolving Israel. If you’re concerned about the Palestinians, then fix the problem with Muslims in Europe or get the Jews of Europe to come to North America.
For those who didn’t click, or didn’t notice: The Haaretz graph Terr lists to lists “Bad French economy + Rising anti-semitism” as the reasons for the 2013-2014 spike. Another Haaretz article, seemingly dealing with the financial reasons for Jewish France-to-Israel immigration can be found here, but it is - alas - behind a paywall.
You should stop commenting on the Maghreb as if it is like the middle east as you really do not know our history.
It is not maybe a surprise to see the tension on the side of the Algeriens contra the the pied noir jewish, but it is not a particular case for the maghreb in general which has a very different history and for the morocco and the tunisia did not adopt the general hostility of the middle east.
I think it has some echoes forward.
This is true of the Algerian case. It is not the general case for the maghreb even if the french opened up the doors more easily.
but it is good to highlight that the tensions over this discriminatory treatment are a historical contrubition - and makes a difference between the tunisie and the morocco versus the algerian attitudes - and histories.
did you not participate in the Pit-blogging early this year by this same person?
Don quixote.
Yes, it is ironic… but the correspondence of the discourses shows the logic in the end is the same.
Trying to cut through this word salad – the reality is that Jews in Algeria were subject to pogroms in 1898, 1931, and 1934, had their citizenship revoked as almost the first act of the independent Algerian government, and finally had all of their property confiscated by the government in 1968, after which the few remaining alive Jews emigrated to France or Israel.
Algerian Muslims despise Jews, have slaughtered them on numerous occasions, and are now bringing their religion to France. How different this is or is not from the core of the Mideast doesn’t matter.
Yes there is the history of communal violence often associated with the alliances with the pieds noirs and the French regime with its divide and conquer policies. But it was not the Algerian muslims who participated in the Final Solution and in fact refused collaboration with it under Vichy. nevermind the christian pied noir led actions of this same period.
no clean hands but the dishonest presentantion of history is not surprising.
No, like the christian pieds noirs there was the choice of Algerian citizenship on the indepedance from the France or leaving. Like the Muslim population who collaborated with the French administration, the Harki, they massively chose to leave. It can not be blamed on them, of course, after the long dirty war against the French regime and the atrocities commited by the colonial power, there was no staying.
It is again inaccurate.
Your bizarre biased history and gross religious bias - it is easy to see the absolute conflation (now bringing their religion? The Algerian population has been part of france since the colonization of 1832… and even metropolitan France, writing this sort of thing shows the level of ignroance and bias).
And yet, here we are. The Muslim perspective on why anti-Semitism never counts is the same as the leftist perspective above – you can nitpick every individual incident, make up standards like “it doesn’t count unless it happened outside of Paris (because I say so)” or “it doesn’t count if the leaders of the Muslim school teaching ‘death to the Jews’ deny it (because I say so)” or “it doesn’t matter because France considered Algerians citizens (because I say so).” And yet, here we are, with synagogues being burned by Muslims or Jews being beaten in the street by Muslims something that happens every week or two in France. The problem is that you’re trying to argue against reality by announcing it doesn’t count or constructing alternate histories and irrelevant comparisons. It doesn’t matter that French Muslims launch pogroms against Jews because it may, or may not, be worse in Iran or someplace? Really?
It shows French immigration to Israel from 1948 to today. There have been bad economic times in France and good - yet the 2013-2014 spike is by far the record. And 2015 will be about 7-10 times the “normal”.
Yes, that’s correct. They have mentioned that there are problems in very general sense, but absolutely – at least in Denmark – refuse to mention the elephant in the room. In fact The Danish Jewish Organisation has stated that the suggestion that there should be any problems between Muslim immigrants and Jews in Denmark is racist.
Leftist, as horrible as we can all agree they are, are (with a few notable exceptions) not antisemitic as much as they loathe Israel, and the idea that average Danes go around assaulting individual Jews is just absurd. Yet, the Jewish temple in Copenhagen requires permanent police protection (one was killed there in a terror attack a few months ago), the Jewish school looks like a heavily guarded fortress, children’s birthdays parties have to planned with security in mind, kosher shops are rutinely vandalized, it’s not safe to walk through most (but some more than others) neighborhoods wearing a skullcap, etc. It’s like there is a serious threat but absolutely no identifiable source of the threat.
In many ways Jews are like homosexuals in this regard, and I certainly don’t envy their position. It is absolutely certain that certain right wing politicians use them for their own end without having any real interest in their cause. At the same time it is also absolutely certain that Muslim immigrants are pretty much the sole reason for attacks on their persons. There have been rising problems with immigrant gangs who’d stalk out and savage attack gay dudes coming out of their bars, or go to the parks where they traditionally have met up and attack them there. And to address this problem with increasing number of very violent attacks the homosexual organisation made a campaign featuring a white blue-eyed man as the attacker. Yeah right. But whatever, they want to appear progressive and shit and they want to have their cake and eat it too. That’s their choice, but as long as their choice is false and cowardly I’m not going to care for their problems.
Muslims in France aren’t obsessed with the physical destruction of Jews. As I hinted at above, you’re no better than an antisemite, you’re just directing your ignorance and your hatred towards a different group (that you probably know nothing about anyway. How many French Muslims do you know?).
You’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. There’s no point in arguing with the likes of you. You’re not here to discuss antisemitism in France, you’re here to spew your hatred.
Are you just declaring that no one is allowed to discuss the issue at all, or pretending that anti-Semitism in France can be discussed without addressing the beliefs and actions of Muslims?
Neither. I’m saying that no social issue can be discussed with people who start the debate with “they’re all criminals”. You’ve made your mindset very clear. It’s exactly the same as that of antisemites. You only differ from them in whom you are prejudiced against.
Critical documentaries made by Israeli Jews about the behaviour of Jewish settlers in the West Bank are seldom seen outside Israel because of the fear that they may promote antisemitism. A suprising percentage of Israel citizens are atheists
You aren’t intolerant of intolerance, if you were you’d attack intolerant people. You’re not even intolerant of intolerant Muslims. You’re intolerant of Muslims in general and consider them all as criminals or at least criminal-minded.
There’s no way your statements are any better than the statements spouted by racists or antisemites. You’re what you’re pretending to fight. For intolerance, look in the mirror.
Any person who isn’t a complete bigot but only moderatly bigoted would have backpedaled about the original statement, like in “of course, I didn’t mean nor think that all French Muslims were out to kill Jews”. Their bigotry would still have been obvious from the original statement but at least they would have tried to hide it a bit.
You continue to promote ignorance with false or half truth claims and then come back with the hand waving and broad claims about some ideological biases when your claims are shown to be false or the misrepresentation or the half truth. Just as in the past.
clairobscur was perfectly right.
It is inutile to bother to always refute you, it would require becoming a paid professional to have the time to correct the errors and the distortions.
It is sufficient to note again that the history of the Jewish in the maghreb is not one of the simple hostility and that the more viscious of the violence of the Jewish was that of the pied noir, the christian- French, Italian, Spanish mostly - settlers empowered by the regime. And it was the muslims not the Pro Vichy pied noir who refused the final solution.
the history then of the Maghrebine jews and muslims is one complicated, with good and bad, but it was until the late 19th century one better than of the christian europeans.
Of course as I have seen over the decade here, the concern of a certain political segment in the USA for the jews in europe has little to do with the jews in europe and very much to do with their domestic political ideologies.
So now that we’ve proved by shrieking invective at anyone who points it out that there definitely aren’t Muslims beating, killing, and robbing Jews in France regularly, and there definitely wasn’t a Muslim-organized Kristallnacht last summer in Paris, and Jews definitely aren’t fleeing France as fast as they can get on planes in fear for their lives – even though these things are happening in reality and anyone can look at them – what, in your view, is the correct explanation for what’s going on? Are the Jews making it up? Is the whole international media in on it? Or are some sort of fairies or orcs assuming the forms of Muslims to perpetrate these attacks?
Ok, first of all, if you’re trying to insist there isn’t intense hostility between the Jews and Muslims of North Africa then you are in denial of reality.
Let me also make it clear I was referring to BOTH communities.
I’m sure you know what the phrase “Macaca” means and you may have heard of the US Senator who recently had his campaign and political career destroyed because he used the term at a man videotaping him.
If so, you may have been aware that he was almost certainly taught to use this term by his mother who was a Jewish person from Tunisia.
I certainly doubt she’s unique in her attitudes.
For that matter, go to Israel(which has far and away the largest population of Moroccan Jews in the World and start talking to them about their attitudes towards Muslims and their memories of how they were treated there.
Now yes, the Muslims and Jews of North Africa have a long, shared tortured history together and I’m not sure what would make people so certain it has no bearing on their present day interactions in France. I won’t pretend I’m terribly familiar with either group, but is anyone shocked that Moroccan Jews in Israel tend to be vastly more hostile to Arabs than Ashkenazis in Israel are?