Ok heres the thing, I had a rather heated debate today with a few friends. The old science vs religion one, but thats not what this thread is about. It came up during this discussion that one of my friends church believed that once 12 countries in Europe begin to use the Euro, the world will end. She claimed that the word “Euro” was used as well. My B.S meter flicked on. I found it hard to believe that such an accurate prediction appears in the Bible. Then as the debate went on (past the point at which I was informed that I was going to hell :rolleyes: ) the same girl told me that dinosaurs are talked about in the Bible. She once again went as far to say that the word “dinosaur” is used in the Bible. B.S meter went off again. I came up with two points against, one being that dinosaurs were alive millions of years ago and that conflicts with the creationist belief that the world is 10,000 years old, and secondly that (IIRC) dinosaur is greek for thunder lizard and therefore would have been translated to thunder lizard not dinosaur.
But the debate comes down to this:
Is there any mention of dinosaurs or the Euro in the Bible? Can you cite quotes or passages?
This is not a science vs religon debate. I simply want to know if the claims made have any basis.
This is easy, no and no.
Any other questions? 
I can answer this as well: see the above post.
Just off the top of my head:
She’s got her Young Earth Special Creationist and Pre-Millenialist Eschatology facts a bit scrambled.
- Way back in the early 1970s, Hal Lindsey in The Late Great Planet Earth said that the Beast with 10 Horns in the Book of Revelation corresponded to the European Common Market. At the time he was writing there were IIRC only 7 nations in it, and he predicted that as soon as there were 10 nations in it, that the world would come to an end.
Obviously he was wrong.
So anyway, this is what she’s thinking of. She probably wasn’t really paying attention and only has part of it.
- Some Special Creationists claim that the “leviathan” referred to in the Bible, such as in Job 41, actually refers to dinosaurs. People who actually bother to translate the Hebrew say that it means either crocodiles, or whales, or hippos, depending on the passage and the scholar translating it. Nobody seriously suggests that it means “dinosaur”. So no, the Bible doesn’t mention dinosaurs.
Well, I knew that :p.
But any ideas to what these things are based on? Anything at all?
Oops didn’t see your post there **Duck Duck Goose
**. Thats just what I’m looking for.
Sorry to be so terse, but there really is nothing remotely similar to either of these claims. There is a phrase which refers to “giants on the earth,” but that was a reference to a city with huge walls.
The “euro” thing is completely on the moon. I suppose it’s possible to find some wildly paranoid connection to this verse in Revelation:
In fact, if I had to bet money, I would bet that your friend was parroting back some whacky preacher’s garbled interpretation of this very verse.
And that is absolutely the best I can do to answer your OP.
Oops, DDG beat me to it, as ususal.
The nutsos are just updating their spiel to keep up with the times. In the early 1970s, it was “obvious” that when ten nations joined the Common Market, they would fullfill the prophecies regarding the ten heads of the dragon and Armageddon would arrive shortly thereafter. (I’m not sure where the “twelve” comes from, but I’m sure it’s among the same set of poorly understood images.)
YEC’s generally point to Leviathan and Behemoth as indicating dinosaurs. Since each of those words are hapax legomenon (a word occurring exactly once) in the Tanakh, we have good guesses (but no conclusive proof) that they refer to whales and elephants, so (since we can’t prove what was written) the YECs simply claim that they really mean dinosaurs and megalodons or ichthyosaurs, and so on.
I forgot to say that some Pre-Mill eschatologists, undaunted by the fact that the Common Market evidently wasn’t the Sign of the End Times, are now transferring other passages from Revelations to the EU.
And I’ve got news for her–there already are 12 nations “using the Euro”. Happened nearly a year ago, January 1, 2002.
http://www.wpi.edu/News/TechNews/article.php?id=226
You notice how the world didn’t end last January?
So, her “prediction” dates from before Greece started using the euro, when there really were still only 11 nations using it, or before January 1, 2000.
Ask her what Tribulation/Rapture website she’s patronizing. They need to update their FAQ. 
My thoughts exactly.
Job is an ancient book… probably the oldest of any in the Bible. The mythical creatures mentioned within it are possibly Demons from Hebrew mythology (not in the “fallen Angel” sense… these Demons were considered to have been made by God, Himself, and some Demons were good.)
It is likely, then, that some of the local flavor-- the common mythology of the times-- would creep into the written word. Such is the case with Job’s monsters.
I will grant that some of the dinosaurs were huge, but I hardly think that even the largest had a length of 300 miles, as was sported by Leviathan:
Behemoth was mostly just Leviathan’s opposite number, the elemental force of earth and stone as opposed to water and the sea.
It is difficult to discuss Leviathan and Behemoth without mentioning Lilith. This site goes into some detail on the three, and it further supports Tom’s comments:
-David
I think your friend probably over heard people talking about something, and got it a little messed up.
No, nowhere in the Bible does it say that the world will end when the Euro dollar hits.
Euro or Europe is NOT mention in the Bible. The Roman Empire is, which is (what scholars agree) Europe.
The EU and the Euro currency is significant to the end times.-----REASON-----
One of the major prophetic events that have yet to be filled is ** Revelation 6:2; 13:1-8**----The antichrist will set up a one world government.
Today, each government has their own currency. After the EU was established, the currency followed.
If a one world government comes to be, it is reasonable to think that that government is going to want its own currency, a one world currency.
The goal is to bring people together, basically having them all under one roof. Nothing binds people together like money, and having control is the goal of the antichrist.
The Eu is rising to power.
A European Army will come, which will give them more influence in world affairs. They don’t agree with America on a lot of issues, and with this, they will not have to be second to America.
It is all connected.
As for dinosaurs…
I cannot say for certain, but there are dino type creatures mention in the Bible.
Read Job 40:15 and on…
Behemoth: He bends his tail like a cedar, His bones are tubes of bronze, His limbs are like bars of iron, no one is fierce enough to rouse him, etc…
Leviathan: Airtight impenetrable Scales, eyes like the eyelids of the morning, sparks of fire and a flame come from his mouth, smoke like a seething pot or a cauldron come from his nostrils, etc.
Job 3:8
mourning=leviathan…A wreathed animal, serpent, large sea monster, constellation of the dragon…
Serpent=Tanniyn----a marine or land monster, sea-serpent, dragon, jackal, whale
Psalms and Isaiah also mentions leviathan
Genesis 1:21----every living creature that moveth
Genesis 1:24----beast of the earth
That’s it for now…JD
JerseyDiamond, do you think I should send my t-shirt back to Amnesty International?
I’ve heard 12 coming from the 12 tribes of Isreal. No doubt, now there are 12, they will go onto 13 which is an unlucky number…
I am amazed that fundamentalists can trot this out with a straight face. How could a one-world government function? Why would nations voluntarily surrender their sovereignty to a United Earth? Hell, we can’t even get the UN to exercise police powers over rogue nations or to settle conflicts.
I could not envision Japan and the Koreas under the same roof, or the US and Iraq, or any Arab nation and Israel.
Now that’s funny…Money, root of all evil. Look, just because the “euro” is used between several nations, doesn’t mean anything. I doubt the US, or several other nations, are going to scrap the use of their own monetary systems. Sure we might use the Euro occasionally, but as far as surrendering to the Euro, which will, *naturally * lead to total domination of some yet-to-exist government.:rolleyes:
You say “One of the major prophetic events that have yet to be filled”, but really, has any of revelations been fulfilled?
What is this “European Army”? I don’t recall seeing them on the news.
I think this is all wishful thinking.
Sorry, I just really have to take issue with this:
Um, no, sorry, dear, dunno what scholars you’ve been talking to, but there is no way that the Roman Empire corresponds to Europe.
Map of Roman Empire. With cool clickable provinces!
http://www.dalton.org/groups/Rome/RMap.html
Notice that Province #11–Langobardi/Cherusci/Sugambri–which is marked as “temporarily held by Rome”, is more-or-less Germany, and it was, um, only “temporarily held by Rome”. Then notice further to the east, west, and north that other modern European places like Scotland, Ireland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Poland, Czech and Slovak Republics, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Belarus were never part of the Roman Empire.
Map of Europe, with cool clickable nations! Lots of real estate there that never felt a Roman sandal.
http://www.yourchildlearns.com/europe_map.htm
It’s a vast oversimplification on the part of those Bible scholars who are only interested in proving the Book of Revelation, to say that “Europe equals the Roman Empire”.
I think you are interpreting and picking and choosing your verses. Let’s here those passages in their fullest.
For Behemoth, from the description you provided, I see a creature made of iron. A statue.
For Leviathon, again, from the description you provided, I see a hot air blimp or a submarine.
Also, what did your Genesis qoutes have to do with anything?