I finally took a look at the market details for Cargo Expander IIs. A LOT cheaper than I thought. I went from 5950m3 in my Itty 2 to 7014m3, for only around 1.4mil
Then I started looking through the market for some good deals from sell order to buy order, and I stumbled upon some items with decent volume and an extreme situation the other way. Ammo with buy order offers in the 25 range and sell order offers in the 1000ish range. So I took the plunge and started my first buy orders on a couple types of faction charges.
Its a risk, but in total I only spent around a mill on the buy orders, so it won’t kill me and it will be a chance to dip my toe in the deep end of the trading pool.
I was getting bored with just the hauling from system to system and I was thinking of canceling, but all the possibilities for setting up orders seem fun, so I’m planning on sticking around for a bit longer, at the very least.
I’ve been training Gal Industrial to level 4, but I took a break from it today to train up some trade skills a bit.
Looking at how long Industrial 5 will take, I may upgrade my ship when I reach 4.
Hauling is one of the most boring things you can do in-game. Seriously, don’t do it unless you have to.
Playing the market, however, is one of the best. If you are into that kind of thing. If you admired the Ferangi in Star Trek more than you admired the Klingons, market trading is for you.
Bear in mind that it is pretty easy to start an alt on the same account with very good trade skills ‘out of the box’. You can’t train on 2 characters on the same account at the same time but the 800k SP you get for making an alt is probably enough. (I know trade V retail IV daytrading V is possible with exactly the right creation choices)
If you are running Itties, level 5 is worth it. Not only does it give you a lot more room when you bet that Ittie V, it sets you up for Freighters down the road.
Yeah, if you get Gallente Industrial V it’s worth it for an Occator or Viator which means you can haul through lo-sec for the real cash. I have Industrial at IV and I can only get about 13,500 out of my Iteron 4. The jump to 5 is huge because the 5 has 5 low slots compared to the 4’s 3 lows. It’s also worth it to rig and itty V, so you can get between 40 and 50k m3 in it.
As for the trading stuff. Just because there are buy orders for faction ammo at 25 doesn’t mean that anyone fills them. Very few people who get faction ammo get it to sell it for less than they paid for it. Basically a buy order like that is hoping that someone will make a horrible mistake when they are drunk. We’ve sold Wrath Cruise Missiles for like 64000 a pop because people made that mistake. The most we ever benefitted off of that was a sale for like 192m.
As for cargo expanders, you end up stockpiling gear like that. Power Diagnostics and Cap Rechargers too. They cost millions, but I probably have tens of millions in just those three fittings alone.
My fully rigged Itty V can carry ~38.5k m3 (it also does not go into low sec space since it is worth somewhere around one hojillion times more than the insurance payout would be). If you plan on doing any significant amount of hauling Industrial V is certainly a good investment. As Captain_C said, hauling is really boring so anyway to reduce the amount of time you need to spend on it is a good idea. I’m only a couple of days from being able to fly a freighter (750k m3) and I believe the plan is that I will be able to use the new corps communal freighter which means no more multiple trips between systems just to haul minerals from a few nights mining.
Yeah, I find hauling boring, but when I find that awesome trade that requires a little hauling, that is ok by me. Yesterday I found a set of 0 jump trades that made me a quick million, and that was nice.
Unfortunately, I’ve had to train a lot of skills up, first mining when I tried that, and now hauling and trading. I picked Engineering for some reason when I first created Zhanid, and it has seemed like a pretty worthless pick. I have a combat alt, but if I started training him, then I have to go back and train all the learning skills again, and that was a boring period of time for me cause I wasn’t gaining anything until they were all trained.
I’d like to do more trading and less hauling, but I have no idea what to put buy orders in for, to resell, or how to go about it. I guess my faction charges plan was a bust from what you’ve said though.
Turning off autopilot and moving that much faster has helped make hauling a bit less boring for me though. When I first started I thought you always warped in at 15k because I Was always using autopilot, so that was really boring with a slow ship.
I could do combat with Zhanid, but he’s really poorly trained for it. Gal Frigate is about the only skill I have trained, and drones. Other than that I only have level one in guns trained, and some Afterburner.
I canceled those faction ammo buy orders and went looking for other buy orders instead. I found a level 1 internal security agent and tried to remember what kind of items I’d found and sold from salvage.
I put up a couple buy orders on stuff that seemed likely to be sold from salvage, we’ll see what kind of results I get. (Cold Arc Jet AB, or something like that. I remember finding those a lot last time I played a combat char. And my second buy order was on small shield boosters)
Seems like upgrading from the Itty 2 to the 3 or 4 as soon as possible will be a good idea. I didn’t know the higher versions of the Itty had more low slots, I though they just had higher base cargo. That’s a pretty big improvement. I won’t be able to get the Iteron IV for 3 more days, so that’s probably when I’ll upgrade.
You should pretty much always have a copy of EFT running when you’re checking things out about ship types. Almost nobody can keep all that in their head.
MindWanderer More trading less hauling is an oxymoron, believe me, my main is a trader. Either you are hauling or someone else is doing it for you. But SOMEONE is hauling. The trick to it is to get remote trade skills so that you can market manip while you are hauling. Most of them are not worth getting beyond level 3 because honestly you rarely need to manip a trade more than ten jumps away.
I will check it out this afternoon, I figured it would be overkill at this point since I don’t have advanced skills to improve my fitting, etc.
As to the hauling vs. trading point. I see what you mean. I guess I meant that I’m looking for the most value per jump.
I’ve done hauling in single player games like Starfury (privateer-like game from the makers of Space Empires) even, so the hauling in and of itself isn’t bad its just that ships with big cargoholds seem to be excessively slow.
EFT and EVEMon are the 2 programs you really want. EFT to tell you what you want on a ship, the EVEMon to plan out how you are going to train for it. Lowballing buy orders for rare things is not a bad idea, if you can afford to tie up your capital for it. You will almost always get someone screwing up or just not caring they can get more for a 6 jump trip. But it is not really the thing to do for new players. You need the money in other places more.
Having a lot of skills trained is not necessarily a bad thing. My character has a lot of areas trained up, which means at this point I can do a lot of things. It took a while to get there, but I have had fun on the way. I am running a level 5 skill right now that doesn’t end until Monday night, but if I play before them, I will work on my Minmatar and Amarr frigate skills. They will train fairly fast and give me more ships to fly.
Alistair McCello it really sucks losing one in highsec due to stupidity. I had shot at a can flipper from my Drake to chase him off, then went back to get my Ittie to pick up my stuff. I was waiting for the timer to tick down the last couple of minutes, and went to align my Ittie, but I hit Warp to instead of Align to. He jumped back in and crowed about getting to blow up my ship. I make my own Cargohold Optimization rigs, so I didn’t have to buy them, but it meant I lost the sales I would have had. And I could only blame myself.
I’m bummed that I haven’t been able to get any real combat time due to RL shit and having to move some assets around while dodging a few Empire war decs. Ah well.
But yeah, I’m happy that RAZOR has been kicking some ass down in Delve.
Hopefully by this weekend I’ll have my Apoc in the fight. Maybe take out a few Sabres/Zealots/Curses just for laughs.
Yeah that’d be cool. I am liking watching BoB fall. It’s kind of fun vicariously. They do sound like a bunch of idiots. When they came out with Operation Max Damage, I was like, “That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.”, with their pompous press release talking about how it was some sort of grand master plan they’d put together over the course of many moons. I was like, "Umm, someone should tell these guys that it’s not terribly difficult to come up with the plan, “Throw thousands of ships at them til they die.” Doesn’t take a rocket surgeon or anything. Then that they got pwned made it even more hilarious.
TBH it was touch-and-go for a little while after IRON’s initial victories. There was some serious bad blood in the North as IRON took to a policy of gatecamping 23/7 and generally refused to help their allies and/or send their battleship fleets outside of VFK. It was freaking ridiculous.
The Adj, one of RAZOR’s best FC’s left because of that, actually. After ordering us not to join any IRON gangs under any circumstances and after he kicked an IRON FC from IRON’s own voice chat server for telling IRON pilots that they were not allowed to go on a roaming op we were about to launch.
If BoB had been able to keep the pressure on, they could have done some serious damage to the North as we were on the back foot for most of the start and BoB was able to choose the time and place of all the combats. It didn’t help that many of our titan pilots were also evidently freakin’ noobs. We DD’d more of our own fleets than BoB’s in the opening weeks of the fight.
Ha. A good FC is hard to find. A lot of people just have no clue what they are doing. I’m working on learning frigates real well with my PVP alt. I like being a fighter pilot
Razor et al down from the north have been bloody awesome in Delve. I wish I was seeing more front line action but it’s mostly capitals doing the heavy lifting and I’ve been roped into pos logistics securing systems.
As someone said on the GF forums, my only friends are little green boxes.
I dunno, without the POS logistics guys any successes on the battlefield are for naught. I’d say the guys onlining towers and keeping them fueled are the front line.
