"Everybody draw Mohammed" on May 20 to support South Park

In this case, it serves to defuse the xenophibic hysteria I see in your posts.

The Christians already have dibs on that one :slight_smile:

Because freedom to say things that are unimportant and totally insignificant is just as important and significant as the freedom to say things that are important and significant. This South Park episode was tantamount to the Alien and Sedition acts.

But nobody should have a problem with these kinds of depictions. The real issue here is that the hypersensitivity of Muslims has created a double-standard.

But how is it an insult to simply depict Mohammed as a member of a group that also includes Jesus, et al? If anything, it’s an insult to the rest of us to accuse us of a serious crime over something so completely harmless. Make that a meta-insult.

What I want to know is, have any Muslims seen the South Park episode(s) in question? It’s sophisticated satire. A large crowd of famous people–including religious figures–are dealing with relentless insulting portrayals. Meanwhile great lengths are gone to to hide Mohammed–uniquely–from any portrayal whatsoever. And in the end*, it turns out the the person being hidden wasn’t Mohammed but rather…

Santa Claus

So can Muslims address the real issue being brought up here, which is their unique level of hypersensitivity?

  • I haven’t seen part 2, but my predicta-joke app is telling me that…

Jesus will call Santa “fat-ass” and Santa will call Jesus a “fuckin’ Jew”

What you see in my posts and what is there may be two different things. It makes no difference to me if the Islamofascist making the threat is white, black or polka-dot. Islam is not a race. I have met blonde, blue-eyed Muslims and others so black they are blue. In point of fact I think the GROWN MAN (20 years old and married) who did this is actually of Jewish origin, and is a convert to Islam. But that does not make any differnce to me. It is the threat to freedom that concerns me.

“Muslims” aren’t complaining about the epsidode. Comedy Central did the censoring, not Muslims. People are expressing outrage about a non-existent Muslim reaction.

How is your freedom being threatened? Does Comedy Central not have its own First Amendment right to decide what it does or does not want to air?

Is the government telling you you aren’t allowed to insult Muslims? What freedom do you believe Comedy Central has taken away from you?

I imagine that Theo van Gogh would disagree if he were alive. One person causing fear on the back of past threats (that resulted in murder and death from riots) is all the more reason to respond with peaceful protest.

Uh, sure. I’ve already expressed how much sense I think this protest makes. But allow me to respond:

So express your freedom by being respectful. Show that you are free to NOT follow a herd of sheep.

It will send the message that we hold ourselves to a higher standard. That we are not thugs or bullies. That we can turn the other cheek, instead of an eye for an eye.

I ask that you think long and hard about what message you actually think you’re going to send.

I consider us very lucky to have the freedom to depict the prophet Mohamed, PBUH. And we are equally lucky that we have the freedom to NOT depict him.

You are free to choose, and I’ll do nothing to stop you. Except to ridicule your believes in the hopes that you’ll think for yourself.

That’s one way of looking at it. Another is to mock and ridicule the threat of violence. IMHO this protest is simply giving the finger to the peaceful Muslims.

You can choose to respect Muslim beliefs because of threat of violence, or you can choose to respect Muslim beliefs because it’s the right thing to do.

Except that “we” don’t, in practical terms. Anyway, fuck Mohammed. I’m not going out of my way not to offend some dead person.

Also, what’s PBUH?

the freedom of speech that censorship brings. They have altered the work of someone against their wishes. When they take that freedom away from the creators of South Park it diminishes us all.

“Peace be upon him” which is often added after saying the name of a prophet (by Muslims).

Oh right. Thanks.

Because that depiction has been designated as an insult.

Why is it that sticking up the middle finger is an insult? If I do that on tv it will be censored. If I do it to another motorist I’ll get shot at or run off the road.

Why are imagines of a woman’s breasts, vagina, or a man’s penis censored on tv?

South Park has been around since 1997, censored the entire time, and they already made fun of this issue over a year ago. Now people care?

The ending is comedic gold.

How about not going out of your way to offend 1.4 billion living people? Is being respectful so hard?

What are you protesting?

The right to free speech only refers to what the government can do. Comedy Central is not the government. There is no Constitutional right for Parker and Stone to have their material aired by a privately owned cable network.

How about 1.4 billion people realizing that what is sacred to them does not have to be sacred to someone else? How about those people realizing that freedom of expression is a right that we do not surrender?

Being respectful is VERY easy. But you know full well that this is NOT about being respectful.

It is about defending our right to free expression against a religious ideology that believes that our western freedoms take second place to their ideology, even in our own western democracies.

Pretending that this is about being respectful is a cowardly response. From Salmon Rushdie to the Danish cartoons to Theo van Gogh to this incident with South Park, Islam is claiming its right to impose its viewpoint throughout the world.

This is about the Muslim claim that the “sacredness” of Mohammed and Islam trumps our western values of freedom. And I will NOT surrender on that point.

There is no “incident” with the South Park episode. Comedy Central censored it. 1.4 billion Muslims had nothing to do with it, nor are you being forced to “surrender” anthing. Your right to free expression is still completely intact. You are not being infringed because Comedy Central chose to censor a South park eposde.

It’s advertised as a protest against the tyranny of violence that has in recent years projected itself in fatal riots and murder. This is what people in a free society view as being an asshole.

Muslim land?