"Everybody draw Mohammed" on May 20 to support South Park

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I cannot find any thread on this subject (I may be wrong) but by now, most people have heard about the recent disgraceful censoring of South Park because of threats by Islamofascist thugs.

Comedy Central, in a move that has been called “the lowest point in the history of American TV”, has censored the popular cartoon satire show as explained here.

RevolutionMuslim.com posted the “warning” after the 200th episode of Trey Parker and Matt Stone’s “South Park,” included a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit. The posting also included a graphic photo of Theo van Gogh, the Dutch filmmaker who was murdered in 2004 after making a documentary on violence against Muslim women.

“We have to warn Matt and Trey that what they are doing is stupid and they will probably wind up like Theo Van Gogh for airing this show,” the posting reads. “This is not a threat, but a warning of the reality of what will likely happen to them.”

Although the web site has reportedly been closed down, the perpetrators of this outrage have not been prosecuted because they are not threatening Parker and Stone in the legal sense of the term.

But they have accomplished what they wanted. South Park, which has mocked God, Jesus, Krishna, Joseph Smith and just about every other religion, has been censored by a frightened network.

If you are not OUTRAGED by what Islamofascists are doing our freedom of expression in the west, then I cannot explain it to you. If you think that the issue here is “not to make waves” and to “respect the sensitivities of Muslims”, rather than defense of our western values, then you deserve to lose your rights a little at a time.

Luckily, there are people pushing back. One of these is listed at this site. On May 20, join in and protect freedom of expression.

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Comedy Central is the entity that censored the episode (just like they knuckled under to the Scientologists), and I can’t see how insulting all Muslims is going to accomplish anything. One fringe website made a non-threat, and Comedy Central turned pussy. Sorry, but I’m annoyed at the network, not at the scary “Islamofacists.”

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if the threat carried no weight it would not have been made in the first place.

I agree its well past time to go all Dawkins on their ass.

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I too am angry at Comedy Central for their refusal to grow a pair, but essentially, we have rewarded threats of violence fropm Islamofascist thugs with censorship.

The more we reward this behaviour, the more they will do it. There are already cases where college professors IN THE WEST have been told that they must say “peace be unto him” after saying the name of Mohammed. How long before this is demanded in the media? How long before media who refuse to do this are politely “warned” about the consequences?

Do you know why Hitler, who had only 38% support in Germany when he came to power, ended up enjoying massive support by the end of the 30s? Because he proved that threats of violence work like a charm. The Weimar Republic had asked the Allies to cut them some slack, to let them form a customs union with Austria, for example, to help trade. The answer was no. But when Hitler marched into Austria, or remilitarized the Rhineland, or demanded the Sudentenland, he threatened force if he did not get his way. And the rest of the world rewarded his threats of violence every time.

What will it accomplish to draw cartoons of Mohammed on May 20? It will accomplish this. Muslims in the west, and in all of the world, for that matter, can learn to get used to the fact that our freedom of expression includes the right to ridicule Jesus, Mohammed, God, or anyone. And that this freedom is NON-NEGOTIABLE!

Muslims are not being offended any worse than Mormons were offended when SP lampooned Joseph Smith. Mormons put up with it and accepted it as part of our western values on freedom of speech. Muslims have to learn to do the same.

The more we make Islam a specially protected exception to freedom of expression, the more we are sacrificing our values and freedoms.

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Since the idea of the May 20 initiative is to make Muslims understand that they can accept freedom of expression on ALL religious views or get the Hell out of the west, since we will not back down on our values, maybe it would be a good idea to draw cartoons of Jesus, Krishna, and others as well, just so they understand our point. Maybe even a cartoon of Richard Dawkins with a dunce-cap or something, saying “In the beginning there was nothing and then it exploded!”

The protest is not anti-Muslim. It is pro-freedom.

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Ya know…protests are not usually my thing. I think I’ll make an exception this time. Problem is, I can’t draw for shit. Reckon I could do a stick figure and name it Mohammed? Maybe something featuring him getting cornholed by and/or fellating pigs?

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“We rewarded threats?” What is this “we” shit? I didn’t reward anybody. Comedy Central did. The problem is network cowardice, not a meaningless semi-threat from some nobodies on the internet.
Fringe Christians send out death threats too, but nobody thinks the solution is to insult all Christians.

Not that I particularly object to this project – I don’t particularly care — I just think it’s pointless. What do you think is going to happen? Wht’s the best case scenario? All Muslim fanatics will realize their mistake? What is the goal here?

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You could look up a picture of a bear on wikipedia and sketch it through a monitor by placing a regular weight sheet of paper over it (i’ve never done that but just held a piece of paper to my monitor and was surprised that I can see basically everything.)

Update, I just tried it and unfortunately if the bear weren’t climbing a tree it would look more like an Alf-Ork crossbreed. But just do your best bear and label it “Mohammed”. (Symbol of the religion of peace.)

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I don’t know if you are being tongue-in-cheek or not, Oakminister. I admit you have a 100% right to show Mohammed fellating pigs. Our forbears in the west fought and died for freedom of expression. People were burned at the stake for “blasphemy” before the triumph of the secular state. I will die before I relinquish this value.

But I think highly offensive cartoons of Mohammed may confuse the message here. That is why I recommend that we include Jesus and other worthies in the cartoons, just to show that this is not anti-Muslim but pro-freedom.

If you can’t draw, why not broaden the day of protest? Take a picture of your teddy bear with a sign saying “My name is Mohammed”. You think I am joking? A woman was almost murdered in a Muslim country over that!

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I dunno. A while back semi-famous athiest PZ Myers said he was going to crumble up a transubstantiated communion wafer and throw it in the trash. He got a bunch of death threats, as well as threats to his university, etc. Personally, I thought that 1) PZ Myers was being a dick 2) He had the right to be a dick and shouldn’t have to face death threats because of it and 3) Even though I thought he had the right to be a dick, I sure as hell am not going to join him and throw communion wafers in the trash just to show “solidarity” or whatever. It might piss of the people that make death threats, but it also pisses off the much larger group of people who believe in Transubstantiation and who have nothing to do with the threats of violence.

I feel similarily about the pictures of Mohammad thing. In the US there’s a small fraction of Muslims who will threaten violence if you go out of your way to draw Mohammad (especially if he’s fellating pigs or whatever), and a very large fraction who won’t threaten violence but will feel insulted and alienated. Pissing off the large block just to make a point to the smaller block not only pisses off a bunch of people that have nothing to do with what your angry about, but also probably makes the smaller block happy, since it plays into their narrative and makes it easier to recruit new members.

And I’ll go on record as saying that I think a Saudi invasion of the Sudetenland is pretty unlikely. They don’t even share a border.

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Why wait? Have you seen this man?

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As I mentioned in another thread, the guy who writes the “revolution muslim” blog is a 20-year-old white guy who lives with his mother in Fairfax County, Virginia and converted fairly recently in order to marry a Muslim girl. Keep that in mind when you’re complaining about what muslims are doing, that this is an upper-middle class American kid that did this, not some foreign invader.

I doubt that they were in any danger until the media started reporting on this. I don’t know how many people were originally reading his blog, but now that it’s in the news, a lot more people have seen it and the odds are greater that some crazy will act on it.

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I think the goal is to flood the market with speech, so the fringe elements making death threats to suppress free expression have too many potential targets. Let’s see them crank out 50 million fatawas.

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The “we” I am referring to is our society. It is a fact that millions of people in the west are ready to say that we “should not provoke them” or that “you have to respect sensibilities of Muslims” or “don’t make trouble” as if freedom of expression was a value so unimportant that it can be readily sacrificed on the altar of these expediencies.

The desired result? That Muslims in the west (and maybe even in Muslim countries) get used to the fact that we in the western democracies are NOT going to back down on freedom of expression.

The Muslim value is that freedom of expression is subject to the respect that must be shown to Islam and Mohammed.

The western value is that you may express any opinion about any religion or religious viewpoint, and that includes lampooning everyone from atheists to Orthodox Jews to Muslims, if you so wish.

So in a sentence, my point is this: The western value applies in the west

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“Muslims” didn’t do anything. One loser white kid wrote an email. You’re not under siege.

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I was…at least about the pig fellating. Am down with the project though.

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But “Muslims” didn’t make Comedy Central pull the bit, one recently converted twenty year-old sent a threat and Comedy Central chickened out. Your response is to insult a bunch of unrelated bystanders. If you want to actually do something to support western values, boycott Comedy Central (and I guess you can send a nasty letter to the specific Muslim that mailed the threat).

Its not like Western Religions never send death threats. The aforementioned PZ Myers used to post them on his blog, until the volume got too high. The difference is that PZ Myers didn’t back down, while Comedy Central did.

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What, really? (Well, yeah, I can really imagine that it has been called that, but surely, such a description is sorely lacking in historical perspective?..)

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Look up the word “analogy” in a good dictionary.

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First of all, Diogenes, what has the kid’s colour got to do with it? Oh, I see! In same way that critics of Islam are accused of being “racist” as if Islam were a race, the kid being white makes him not a serious Muslim.

Secondly, if a threat of violence from one “loser white kid” can restrict freedom of expression that badly, what would a well-organized bunch of Islamofascists accomplish in destroying our western values?