Evidence?

Reading the news at Yahoo, I tripped over this sentence:

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Does this seem just a bit…contrived?

Any two of these objects probably wouldn’t have raised many eyebrows, but all three together seems incriminating.

Lord knows that I’m the last one who would defend the monsters who did this, but I also don’t want to hate the wrong person.

So I’d like to ask a few questions:

  1. Would a suicide-bomber leave his Koran behind? I know it’s considered a holy book, but I’m sure that copies have seen the front lines before. Is there some scripture that prohibits damaging the book in such a manner?

  2. A video on how to fly a plane? I think that’s what I tripped over. I would think that the terrorist-pilots would have already had ample experience on those or similar planes.

  3. Wouldn’t the fuel consumption calculator do a lot more good if it were actually on the plane? Kinda hard to calculate consumption if you don’t know how much fuel is in the tank…

  4. The two bags holding the incriminating evidence just happened to be “meant for AA flight 11”? Why weren’t they on the plane? Was the baggage for any of the other passengers still at the airport?

OK, so what does this lead me to? Most probably, I’m just nuts right now, seeing shadows where none exist.

It’s also possible that the news story is incomplete or innocently misleading. I know that it’s a sketchy summary, and nothing more.

But I still wonder. Could these be the belongings of another terrorist who, for whatever reason, didn’t make the trip? Or an attempt by a third party to plant evidence?

Thanks for listening to my ramblings…

-David

[I shortened the link-bibliophage]

[Edited by bibliophage on 09-13-2001 at 12:12 AM]

As I was reading some of the comments in the Free Republic thread linked by Guin in the Pit, in which they were essentially calling for all the brown people to be rounded up and shot, I mentioned to the GF that a part of me secretly hopes this was done by a bunch of good old boys from a backwoods militia group somewhere.

She wondered if it could have been a backwoods militia group trying their best to make it look like it was done by Muslim terrorists. It’s a right-wing-nut double play–you get to strike a blow against evil liberal Amerika, and the godless heathen Muslims take the blame.

Far-fetched, I think, but not inconceivable.

Dr. J

Yeah…a few cups of coffee have revealed to me that it is pretty far-fetched.

The biggest flaw is that so many people who can be linked to bin Laden were in-country at the time.

Having a “guy inside”, though, who was not onboard any of the planes, still sounds all too possible.

-David

There is actually already a GQ thread on this exact topic. There’s another thread going in MPSIMS about whether or not we shot down the airliner that crashed in Pennsylvania.

People, I know this is going to sound like a weird thing to say, but please stop trying to use logic on this in the near-total absence of hard facts. Once we have actual evidence, then of course we must evaluate that evidence rationally and logically. But “pure logic” or “pure reason”, in the absence of actual facts, just sort of feeds on itself and produces wild rumors and weird theories and pretty much does the opposite of what this board is ideally supposed to be about.

You have a very good point.

Now is not the time for what is admittedly probably nothing more than outlandish speculation.

I apologize.

Thanks for the links–I really did try to search for a similar topic, but there’s just so MUCH!

-David

What–you didn’t just do a search on “terrorists” or “hijackers”? :smiley:

I do understand. I check CNN and other news sources with ludicrous regularity, even though I know they’re just saying the same things over and over again right now. We’re all just stuck on this–it’s hard to think of anything else–but there’s not really much new happening, certainly not enough new happening to keep all our minds occupied. So the temptation to just start inadvertently making stuff up is very hard to resist.

Please do read the GQ thread MEBuckner linked to. I closed it as not being appropriate to that forum, but it’s still a good read.

Now that I’m in the right forum for it, I can speak my mind. These terrorists are the same ones who (according to a segement I saw on TV tonight) almost got into a bar brawl in Florida last week for refusing to pay their tab. They might have been arrested if that situation had escalated. Not terribly bright of them, if you ask me.

These are the same people who allowed themselves to be talked into killing themselves. They were not criminal masterminds. The criminal mastermind behind this is the one who is smart enough to save his own ass and send out dimmer bulbs to do his dirty work.

MEBuckner wrote:

The notion that this evidence sounds “fishy” has also been brought up in this Great Debates thread.

The “evidence” showing links to “known terrorist groups” may be nothing more than an example of a small world network. For instance, any two movie actors can be connected by a chain of ~6 other actors, each pair of whom were in a film together. This does not mean that ALL actors are good buddies and part of the same conspiracy. Bin Laden is a famous terrorist, it’d be remarkable if some evidence pointing to him did not show up.