I’m afraid I’m with Dio here. Millenia (well, one millenium) of hate, opression, and fear based on biblical approval of killing, and you worry about Christian girls having impure thoughts?
Yeah, but what is the Hebrew word?
zirimah (actually zirimas - “issue of”)
Are we not fortunate that there are no Biblically literate e-mail spammers?
Why would horse semen be any more “disgusting” than human semen.
I think you’re grasping at straws here. When I hear “ejaculations like horses,” I’m thinking quantity…and come on…“flesh like a donkey” = donkey schlong, let’s not kid each other. It’s certainly a reasonble interpretation given the context.
This verse may not be fit for Sunday School (or Shul) but it wasn’t intended to be. It’s ancient propaganda. It’s supposed to be disgusting.
Ok I was taught that, when unsure of a word’s meaning, one should look at the context.
EZEK 23:18-23 (NIV)
Now, given the context is that of prostitution, and the attributes of donkeys, does “flesh” really sound all that likely? Donkey flesh is not all that remarkable, but donkey dick certainly is. It falls into the same category as a discussion about someone’s “manhood”. It could be quite possible that a person speaking of how a lady “ripped off his manhood” means she took away the abstract concept of his masculinity, but is it very likely given the context? No. Not really.
I swear I submitted this before DtC but I had a timeout :), and instead of a triple post(as is the norm) it didn’t post at all so:
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May I request more explaining? What exactly is the “disgusting aspect” of an issue like a horse. Since it is not saying they literally have the issue of a horse, amount is the only purpose I can see for this simile.
You clearly think something else; what is that?
Heh. Diogenes said “donkey schlong and horse jizz”. Heh.
I don’t know what to tell you guys - it’s hard to argue about why something is or is not disgusting. I think it is. I think most people would think it is. Particularly in the context of taking it into one’s body, as is being discussed here. YMMV.
I could almost swear that in our very own BBQ Pit animal semen is frequently invoked as an insult. But I am loath to make a search on the subject.
I am somewhat amused by the suggestions that “donkey flesh” is obviously a reference to size of genitals. I suspect projection of some sort. 
I’m pretty sure there are other examples in the Bible of people to be compared unfavorably to animals (mostly dogs, though). I don’t recall any references to size of genitals.
Oh and for more context for those to lazy to look themselves:
Ezekiel 23:21(NIV)
So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled.
Ezekiel 23:21(KJV)
Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.
Okeydokey, that squares with what my Mom said about Egyptians.(j/k kinda)
Oh and furt-Ummm … I don’t guess too many normal, healthy girls actually get excited by the idea of donkey schlong, which is sort of the point of the verse.
I’ll need you to swear that you are a healthy girl before I can give your comment any credence.
Okay, maybe not a donkey schlong per se, but what about a large penis?
Band name or bad 80s video game based porn.
In case anyone was wondering:
“Doted upon.” I’m seeing felilato (read sodomy) or some other non-child making activity in that phrase, also big no-noes.
Then perhaps christians are wrong and God doesn’t actually require them to be that much chaste in thoughts. Or perhaps God isn’t really worried about donkey-like erections, and horse-like emissions, nor easily grossed out, but only his followers are.
Or possibily God never inspired these words at the first place but they were just written by uninspired, ordinary, people.
Since basar is a known euphemism for penis and it certainly fits the context I don’t see why it shouldn’t be viewed as a suitable translation.
That being said, I certainly don’t think that this verse is “almost pornography.” richardc perhaps you’re a prude.
And no, I will NOT cite examples of pornography for comparison.
Well, I’m not a prude. I suppose that it is not almost pornography. My mistake. The definition of pornography that I had in mind when I wrote that was not correct then.
I dunno. I think that the def of porn is highly debatable. I just don’t think it’s pornographic, IMHO. YMMV. Graphic, yes.
Sadly, neither healthy nor female …
Is there something you’d like to say on the (ahem) issue at hand? :dubious:
I gotta back up the NIV translation. Only, instead of the medical terminology, I think a more accurate translation should have used a euphemism as well.
“whose bumticklers were like those of donkeys” maybe?
furt-"Is there something you’d like to say on the (ahem) issue at hand? "
Just expressing an extremely natural curiosity as to the normal healthy girls’ opinions on donkey-like schlongs.
Extremely natural I said. Now move along.
Um, as someone who (prior to marriage) was a healthy young virginal Christian woman I can attest to the idea that a huge penis is not, in fact, something that would have caused me to fantasize. I would have been grossed out and a bit frightened. I could never understand why men bragged about the size of their genitals. Most virgins would be terrified at the thought of some enormous man. Ack!