Already answered: No, because we’re not using weapons of mass destruction.
Zanthor, your obsession with guilt over things you had no part in and emotional self-flagellation is really starting to worry me. I think you should seek some professional help on this. Talk with a mental health professional, please. If counseling alone doesn’t work there are a excellent modern medications out there with minimal side effects that might help.
Just don’t get pregnant while on them because they can cause birth defects… even if they’re not WMD. Which is one of my points, a LOT of things cause birth defects, and most aren’t weapons of any sort.
I am a Health Professional.
I work in Operating Theater, i see the very worst of mans inhumanity to man, daily.
You still fail to address the central topic.
still want to make it about what YOU think about ME.
very curious, but absolutely useless in resolving the issue of our innocence whilst we slaughter foreign nations.
Can you plz try to rethink your position, try again..?
Verrry sorry,
We are laying waste to the ME, with all kinds of heavy duty weaponry.
Chemicals, White Phos, DU, etc etc.
this one, especially humorous do you think?
and we are the so called ‘good guys’
To villagers, basically in the stone age, you know the ones we kill, a cruise missile laying waste to a wedding party is a WMD, wielded by us…
to waste them indiscriminately.
you seriously don’t see the correlation? of how we insist its ‘us’ against ‘them’?
how much of a folly it is?
So Wise one, who needs help? most. you or me…?
How about we just stop killing them for a start.
Good place to begin Huh?
then stop invading them, messing with their internal politics.
repair what damage we have done.
earn honest respect from the world, not just continued contempt cos we try to rule solely by our geed, the force of our weapons…?
No one here, in case you didn’t notice (because you’re a flaming moron), is advocating that we bomb the middle east. Many of us are peaceniks.
That doesn’t make you any less of a moron, and in fact it is perfectly possible to be a peacenik, against the war(s), and still think “Zanthor is sure a goddamn moron who can’t string together a coherent thought if his life depended on it.”
Where do you practice, by the way, because if you’re in an operating theatre in any capacity other than “after-hours janitor” I do NOT want to go anywhere near your illiterate ass.
and your reply has to do with American use of Agent Orange, DU, White Phos, how again exactly??
as i thought, you got nothing, no excuse..
BTW, i am the one pumping liters of blood into bodies that are bleeding out, as fast as it is humanely possible to do so.
You would be grateful to see me on the battlefield of life,
trying to preserve any life, no matter if it is so called enemy, our ‘ours’ just cos it is live, still alive…
all life is worth preserving, even those we are told to hate and kill…
against
wars we stupidly wage.
care to address the topic yet?
“To watch the courageous Afghan freedom fighters battle modern arsenals with simple hand-held weapons is an inspiration to those who love freedom. Their courage teaches us a great lesson-that there are things in this world worth defending. To the Afghan people, I say on behalf of all Americans that we admire your heroism, your devotion to freedom, and your relentless struggle against your oppressors.” President Ronald Reagan - March 21, 1983
“In Afghanistan, the freedom fighters are the key to peace. We support the Mujahidin. There can be no settlement unless all Soviet troops are removed and the Afghan people are allowed genuine self-determination.”. President Ronald Reagan - Address Before a Joint Session of Congress on the State of the Union - January 25, 1988
Then clearly I don’t need to explain to you the importance of mental health. So why haven’t you sought some help for your issues. hmm? :dubious:
What I think about you? I think you’re a clueless idiot who enjoys wallowing in pointless guilt.
Oh, wait - you mean the Middle East. OK - I think the whole place has been a shithole for centuries, if not millennium. Before we needed their oil the outside world happily ignored them while they slaughtered their own. I’d happily slap a wall around the whole mess and leave them be until the noise died down inside, at which point we can peek over the top and see what, if anything, is left. The only reason the “Holy Land” is “holey” is because everything has been shot so many times everything looks like Swiss cheese. How anything can describe a landscape drenched in blood for thousands of years as “holy” or “sacred” is completely beyond me.
You know, I didn’t come to my position on whim. And I refuse to submit to your inquisition. We disagree, deal with it.
Yes, that’ s what war is. You kill people and break things. Are you surprised at this? I don’t approve of it either. I don’t approve of improvised explosive devices, either.
It’s pretty damn insulting to say Iraq and Afghanistan are “stone age”. They aren’t. You don’t have people chipping flint to make knives. They possess metal, and have for thousands of years. They use modern guns, cell phones, and all the trappings of technology. Exaggerate much? Oh, yes, all the damn time.
It’s war. What the fuck do you think war is? ALL war is like that. Did you think there was anything less nasty about, say, hijacking airliners and ramming them into skyscrapers?
You - I can communicate coherently and I’m not beating myself up over things I have no control over.
If we packed up and left tomorrow the killing would go on, because there was war there long before we showed up. Before we attacked Iraq Saddam used chemical weapons on his own people. Before we attacked Afghanistan (after, I might add, the rulers of that county attacked us) were murdering their own for religious stupidity. If we packed up and left tomorrow elements in those places would continue to try to attack us, just as they blew up the Marine barracks in Beruit, or blew up the USS Cole. It’s a bloody mess with no good end in sight.
We can stop killing them. They won’t stop killing each other or trying to kill more of us.
don’t know how to use the separate quote thingy, but oh well,
*Basically we have been invading the ME for centuries, want to start with the Crusades? we have not stopped messing with them ever since, worldwide, Muslims against Christians,
It does not make it right, sorry to dissapoint you
Why do you keep asking questions, answering them inaccurately and then re-asking them again?
Your mental WMDs are causing horrific damage, which you should take into account, being a “health professional”.
Are your mental WMDs causing horrific damage?
You must stop laying waste to our intelligence.
When will you address our questions?
Please stop the destruction.
The first crusade was hundreds of years after Muslims (i.e. the Ottoman Empire) started invading and conquering other lands, including parts of Europe. Your sense of history is amazingly defective.
Yes, well, you haven’t learned to write proper English, so it wasn’t like we had high expectations for you.
The United States didn’t exist during the crusades. A lot of people in the US don’t even have European ancestry. Why are you tarring them with the crusades? How are the current generation of Americans in any way responsible for what occurred centuries before our nation even existed?
Which is yet another reason I’m glad I’m neither.
Where did I ever say it was right? Nowhere. Nowhere at all. I nowhere state it’s right, or that I condone it.
Oh, sorry - forgot about your delusions and reality-warping. Carry on…
i do not wallow in personal, guilt, basically i am ashamed of us, our greed, so what?
i just want to see blame attributed where it should lie.
US, if it were not for their Oil, why would we invade them?
what has this to do with me personally? i have no idea what you infer, , i am merely a mirror, reflecting our greed, gluttony for THEIR Oil.
if you cannot see at least this much, then i am sorry for you,
BTW, the West instituted Saddam in Iraq, deposed a democratically formed Govt, cos it did not like the Russian access to Iraqi Oil,
See why we did the same in Iran.
In Iran when they did the same thing, tried to nationalise their Oil…
we provoked the Islamic revolution against us when we tried to control them.
We caused this mess.
what exactly is the part of this you do not understand?.
pray tell…?
I
Continue to wonder just what you understand of real History, or just what you want to whitewash next…
oh yes, this quote. from you..
It’s war. What the fuck do you think war is? ALL war is like that. Did you think there was anything less nasty about, say, hijacking airliners and ramming them into skyscrapers?
end quote.
Err, you are aware that 99% of the 9/11 attackers were Saudis, ?
sure don’t look like it.
so why annihilate Iraq, Afghanistan, in our quest for vengeance???
kill many hundreds and hundreds of thousands in some vain FUTILE attempt at retribution?
Pray tell…?
What I understand is that you won’t be happy until everyone in the west is wallowing in self-guilt and sawing at their own wrists. Which makes me wonder what this “we” shit is all about. I don’t think you’re on our side at all. You’re a Tokyo Rose.
No, sorry to disappoint you, i happen to have the problem of being one of us, cannot seem to wash their blood off my hands,
no matter what i do,
Good quality Russian Vodka yields temporary oblivion, but only for a few hours
oh well.
So answer me this, why do we not call off Our war dogs. against them?
Just like Vietnam, it was obvious to thinking ppl we could not prevail against their determination to resist us…
even before began the madness of waging war against them
So,
what are we so afraid of?
that our inglorious past will catch up with us?
that we will actually have to account, perhap$$$$ atone for all the criminal murder in foreign nations we have committed, not even trying to address the issue of genetic damage we have caused…
Sheez, liberal doses of whitewash needed much?
or just basic honesty, accountability?
Sure, I work for peace both with voting/direct political communication and with protesting, because I think our warfighting in Iraq and Afghanistan in terms of both tactics and motivation suck almost as bad as your ability to form coherent arguments.
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Good quality Russian Vodka* yields temporary oblivion, but only for a few hours
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Have you considered a continuous infusion? Your being a health professional and all, this should be easy to set up…
*the generic stuff represents more cost-effective utilization.
The Crusades were not perpetuated by the USA, so therefore I fail to see whom the “we” is in that context. And if you mean specifically Christians, well, the USA is a secular nation.
I am probably more on your side than most of the posters here. I actually don’t think we should be in the ME for the reasons the Bushes told us we should be. In fact I was against the invasion in the first place. I think Obama is continuing the war in Afghanistan because not to do so would be political suicide. However your claims are way over-blown - we are not “annihilating” the populace at large. And your add ons like “and who knows what else” are bullshit fabrications to strengthen your portrayal of the “atrocities”. Agent orange was a defoliant not aimed at people nor intended to harm them. The Crusade issue is completely irrelevant as we weren’t a nation yet.
BUT the ME wars have hurt non-combat innocent people. And that is sad. I feel bad about that because it is not fair to them. I’m sure there have been a few birth deformations but nowhere near the “obliteration” you speak of. Am I unhappy with the actions of some of the things that America specifically has done in the ME wars? Yes. Am I responsible? No. Do I (personally) feel guilty? No. I did my duty and voted… and not for Bush. Now these matters are out of my hands.
So here are my questions (and feel free to answer it in any format you chose, as long as you answer them directly and specifically);
What would you have me personally do to correct this situation?
What have you done personally do to correct this situation?
nope, it explains nothing.
sorry, alcohol is a symptom, not the issue.
The issue is we keep killing them, bombing, invading, occupying, maiming by weird WMD we use, against them, that thinking ppl are saying are causing Genetic Defects, far worse than Hiroshima or Nagasaki
if you think this is fine and dandy, good for you.
however, i do not.
lol, well, good for you then, you appaerntly do something for the good of mankind.
But, you dismiss me
so you only converse with ppl you think are intelligent. coherent as you?>
this is sad. for
i will never measure up to your intellectual ‘Superiority’
I deal with blood guts and gore, its what i do.
does this mean you will forever dismiss what i have to say as not being at ‘your level’? you don’t even want to hear it?
forever not want to discuss the issues i tried to raise.
heck
pick any one, try . killing animals for food.
Karma, relevant or not?> ?
take your pick.
lol