Fargo (the series) S01E04 "Eating the Blame" [Open spoilers]

Does anyone else think the actress who plays Molly is the suspicious wife from the “It’s Jake – from State Farm” commercial? “She sounds hideous!”

The pieces are coming together nicely.

Have we met Stavros’ wife? His son says he wants to talk about mom. I don’t remember seeing her, except in the flashback. My husband used to drive truck and he says there’s no way that driver wouldn’t have stopped.

Can we assume there’s a minister named Frank Peterson and that he’s not Lorne Malvo doing a side gig? Are the cops so stupid that they didn’t send a photo to confirm that the man they have is Frank Peterson?

Wasn’t she the one at home on the treadmill?

Her fitness coach was the one who was blackmailing her husband, I think.

Yes, we met Stavro’s wife. She was at home with the trainer that had too much bronzer.

The wife in the State Farm commercial isn’t Molly, but she is in about 800 other commercials.

Semi-coincidentally I watched the movie Fargo last night. I wouldn’t have been lost WRT the ice scrapper thing if I hadn’t. I’ve seen the move three or four times, but it’s probably been 5 years since the last time, which made it nice since I’d forgotten a good 50% of it. It was funny since when this episode started I knew right away were they where since the movie ends (well, nearly ends) right on the same stretch of highway and I recognized the fence. In one of the other threads, someone mentioned the ice scrapper in the King’s office, but I had no idea what that was about (but did since I just rewatched the movie)

WRT to the movie, Jerry (our Lester) actually calls something a “No rough stuff type of deal”. A phrase almost exclusively belonging to Breaking Bad.

Today’s episode had yet another movie reference in it. It’ll come to me, I have to think about it though. Pulp Fiction maybe?

Also, did you know someone tried to do this show in 2003 with Edie Falco as the Marge/Molly. I don’t think it made it past the pilot. I’m curious how Edie planned to work that around The Sopranos.

Are we working on the assumption (or is it just me) that Numbers and Wrench (Adam Goldberg and the other guy…sorry other guy, don’t know your name yet) are gay and a couple? They sort of seemed like they were having a lover’s spat at the diner.

Heh. Heh. Maybe. But doubtful.

I think Adam was just embarassed at having been overpowered by little Les. And Other Guy was embarassed because he was deaf and never saw what was going on and didn’t help Adam.

Also, OG must have been PO’d at Adam for blowing it. So it didn’t take much for the two of them to go at it.
Interesting - OG’s real name is Russell Harvard and he was actually born deaf!

I thought they staged that fight, to break into jail with Lester.

I think Joey P was talking about the scene in the coffee shop, before they went after Lester. The bar fight was later, after Lester escaped.

I agree that the Duluth and Bemidji cops seem to be doing some poor police work.

Also - big storm coming! I’m sure that will be important as the story progresses.

The chief’s mostly. Gus and Molly are fine.

Speaking of Gus, every time they call him Grimly I think of Ed Grimly, and his boss looks like James Cagney.

… and is now working with BillyBob.

I can’t see the wife in the car in 1997 evolvong into the wife working out in the present day.

I don’t know the exact dates, but the King seems to have aged about 20 years between then and now. So, I would guess the present day wife would be very difficult to recognize.

However, I’m guessing that neither of them will be around for very much longer. How much more story could they have between them?

I was just checking IMDB to see who was playing the wife in the car and noticed that the pet store guy was Glenn Howerton, I didn’t recognize him at all.

Back to the wife in the car. Was it just me or was she a terrible actress, especially up against Oliver Platt?

I have little or no recollection of her and so I would have to say she is likely a weak actress.

That seems to me to be extremely unlikely. Even if those two guys were real dummies, it would have been incredibly stupid for them to have done it that way when there were so many other choices available.

  1. By getting into jail the way they did, they risked being placed into seperate cells. There was never any certainty they would both wind up in the same cell and on top of that, would both wind up in Lester’s cell. By arranging for only one of them to go to jail, the other one would then be free and he could then deal with the lawyer and arrange bail and handle any other necessary tasks. They would have then had far more control with one of them free and out of jail.

  2. There was no need for them to fight each other and risk harming each other. There were many other laws that one of them could have broken to get into jail and many of those laws would have been less serious. Surely it would have been better for them to choose a crime that would send only one of them to jail. More importantly, they could have picked a crime that would have been more likely to get one of them into the same cell as Lester. By doing it the way they did, there was just a random chance that one of them would wind up in the same cell as Lester.

  3. Why would they both want to go to jail when only one needed to do that and the other one could then control the situation much better when he was free?

  4. They could have been arrested and put in jail by breaking almost any law. But, by doing it the way they did, they risked being charged with any number of different crimes (and more than one at that). It would have been so much better for only one of them to have broken some minor law and then they would have risked a much smaller penalty and had much more control over the situation.

A)Which is why I’m running with ‘lover’s spat’. Go back to the fight at the diner and the comment that Adam made right outside the diner.

B)If Lester gets out of jail and nothing ever becomes of it, then I’d worry about the integrity of the writers. Lester, right from the start has had quite a history with the Bemidji police…then he punches one in the face, adding that to his rap sheet gives Molly a good chance to talk to him with the chief out of the station. Keep in mind, he could have keyed the cop’s car, publically urinated, done any number of other things that would have gotten him arrested, but he chose to assault an officer. Maybe he can get away with saying “It’s cold, my wife, oh geez my wife is dead and the cold, it’s so cold and my car’s in the shop, and I just needed a ride, I thought I’d go out for a walk, ya know, to clear my head and I just got too far to walk back in this cold blah blah blah”

Anyways, that started as one thought and turned into something else. I’m just saying, if this arrest has to lead to something, otherwise Lester would have just run away and made it home on his own.

Most of your objections are predicated on the knowledge that Lester is a pussy, so they only need one guy in the cell to intimidate him, or worse. You know that, and I know that, but they don’t. They were arguing in the diner about whether they were sure Lester killed Hess. After Lester’s stunt on the frozen lake, I don’t think there’s any question in their minds that he did it.

From their point of view, Lester has:

a) killed his wife with a blunt object
b) killed Hess (who was a big burly guy) with a knife
c) gotten away clean with both murders
d) seduced Hess’s wife, who so far is the hottest woman in town
e) rendered Mr. Numbers unconscious
f) and then escaped them by assaulting a cop.

And though they didn’t say it explicitly, if they think he killed his wife, then they must think he also killed the chief.

From that perspective, Lester looks like a very dangerous man. He’s killed up to three people, and is evidently good enough to do it without a gun. He assaulted a cop in front of their eyes, not to mention knocking Mr. Numbers out, again from very close range. For all they know, Lester’s meek persona is an act, just like Malvo pulled in Duluth. Physically, Malvo is no more imposing than Lester. They have probably met Malvo types before, and they now have reason to believe that Lester is one of them.

That said, you’re right, they could have done it differently. But this is a quirky show, with quirky characters, and IMO staging a fight to break into jail seems like par for the course for this show. It was the most fun way for them to do it, and they either knew or assumed that a town that small would just have one big cell for pretrial detainees.

The argument in the diner ended with them in agreement. The fight in the bar had no discernible reason, and there wasn’t a mark on either one of them afterward, in a show that goes out of its way to show the results of physical trauma.

No it doesn’t. Adam is still yelling at him after they walk outside.

You can call it a fake fight to establish that they were already mad at each other earlier in the day, but why bother. They were just two drunks in a bar fight, they didn’t need a reason.

I think it was a legitimate fight, we might never find out why, we might never know if they’re just associates or friends or more (and maybe they’ll keep us guessing on purpose, just for fun, just so we’re not paying attention to other things, it makes you want to rewatch the series and it’s worth more in syndication), but that [del]fight[/del] argument seemed real.

Yes, it does. They agree to pick up Lester and question him before killing him. Mr. Numbers isn’t especially happy about it, but it’s agreement. And after Lester zaps Mr. Numbers, I’m pretty sure that Mr. Wrench is convinced, so they should have even less reason to argue.

I don’t think for a second that the diner argument was staged. They had no way of knowing they would need to break into jail at that point.

And I’m not convinced I’m right about any of this. I just think it’s plausible, and wouldn’t be out of line for a show like this.

We’re talking about two different parts of the same argument. They agree to go pick up Lester…they’re still mad at each other. That’s why I’m calling it a couple’s spat. It’s like a husband and wife at a get together. Something touches a nerve, they get snippy at each other, they finally agree or agree to disagree, but really just doing their best not to argue at someone else’s house. There’s more going on in that fight then just trying to decide what to do about Lester. Like I said earlier, after they leave the diner, Adam is still yelling, you can hear him through the window.

It may have been a legitimate fight (in the bar) in the sense of getting aggression out at each other, but it was a planned fight to get in jail with Lester.

You may well be correct. Can you explain why you think that is true?