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I’m surprised Gus killed Malvo.
Nice series.
Molly told Lester a story about a man who dropped his glove on a railway platform.
Does anyone know what that story was about or what she intended to convey to Lester by telling him that?
I’m not sure what she was telling him, but I’ve heard the story before, usually about someone riding a boxcar and losing a shoe (then tossing the other). The only thing I could come up with is that the next sentence she wanted to say was something like ‘you wouldn’t do that would you…toss your other glove’.
Maybe she was drawing a parallel about how he tossed his other wife to the killer?
I wonder how important it is that Malvo switched cars and Lester bought his same (red) jacket.
Also, Malvo not being quite dead yet was about the scariest thing I’ve seen on my TV screen in a long time.
She is telling him she wants Malvo AND him, or neither. Actually I think she knows Malvo will kill him and if Lester doesn’t want protection, fuck him.
Thank you and Sitnam too. Very interesting. I suppose it does have something to do with her knowing both of them are guilty and both belong in prison or in a coffin.
One reviewer suggests she was telling him that sometimes it’s best to acknowledge when you’ve been defeated and make the best of the situation.
Why did Lester’s wife lie to Molly last episode on why they came back early? It seems out of character.
I think I can tweak that just a hair…Like a pair of gloves they’ll always be together, wherever Lester goes, Malvo will be right there. Regardless of what Lester did in the past, he’d be very wise to accept Molly’s protection, at least until they flush Malvo out and arrest him. Strike that, he doesn’t have a choice, he’s going to get the protection since they’re more interested in catching Malvo then Lester right now and Lester doesn’t realize that he’s just getting used as bait…interesting, isn’t it, that the bait had a bear trap in his bedroom.
She knew something was wrong and that he was in trouble. She was just protecting him.
I thought that Gus told Malvo something like, “I solved the riddle.” What did he mean by that?
Malvo told him a riddle in an earlier episode that left him puzzled at the time. I don’t remember what it was, something about predators seeing only green?
I think it was about when Malvo asked him in the hallway of the police station, about why humans are able to see more shades of green than any other animal. The answer is that this visual acuity enables us to spot predators.
So does everybody think the Supermarket King just left the money buried there?
Will there ever be some other incarnation of the Fargo universe that starts back up when someone else finds the money?
Hmmm, or maybe Stavros saw the news about them catching Malvo? Or, remind me, wasn’t one of those audio tapes directly related to Stavros? Wouldn’t the cops followup on whatever people they were able to connect to those tapes? What else do we know that the tapes *should *have led them to?
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It seems to me there could be a great many problems with the police trying to use those tapes.
For one thing, many of those conversations would not likely clearly identify the person with whom Malvo was talking. I know that each tape is labelled with a name. But those names come from all over the country and not all those people were murdered. Even if someone was murdered, it might be impossible to prove the voice on the tape really belonged to them. Malvo could not very well say something like, "I just want to confirm that your name is X and your address is X and a bunch of your other personal info is X. Now, about the murder you have paid for, …
Also, there may be legal problems with the way in which the police came into possession of those tapes. A good defense lawyer may well be able to get all of them kicked - although I really don’t know how that issue would be resolved.
As far as Stavros and the case full of money goes, (as well as other items from the movie), that would largely depend on how many more seasons the network will fund and how many more episodes they will produce. That, in turn, depends on things like funding, cast availability and other real life considerations that are far more important than the plot of the story. So, before the showrunners can make any decisions about the plot, they have a whole lot of real life concerns to resolve first with their bankers and accountants. That is just my guess. I could be wrong and I would very much enjoy hearing from anyone familiar with the financing of TV projects.
Also, this show had a great many extraneous elements that, in the end, had little or nothing to do with the story. So many dead ends. Like Stavros’ kids and Sam Hesse’s kids and Hesse’s insurance policy and the wolf and a ton of other events that just seemed to raise their heads but then disappear forever. That may well be a good thing in a show like this. But it doesn’t help the audience very much in figuring out what is going on.
However, the bottom line for me was that I just loved this show. Together with “The Americans”, I just cannot remember ever loving some TV shows as much as I have loved these shows. For anyone who is interested, they both knocked off Game of Thrones and Mad Men right off my list. Very few TV shows are actually able to bring tears to my eyes. There are only a very tiny number that can do that. Fargo is near the top of my list. The artistry (“artistry” is sadly missing from most all current TV shows - but the Fargo showrunner seems to have a solid handle on it.
When I think back to all the times that I have railed against the shit that passes for quality TV entertainment, I just cannot believe there are so few quality shows. I can count the number on one hand. So sad. I am not ashamed to admit that I downright loved this show. It was just that well done.
Maybe we would enjoy a new thread that listed all the TV shows that actually bring tears to our eyes. I’m sure my list contains just a handful or fewer. Many only make it onto the list for a very brief time and are quickly knocked off. TV once had such a wonderful promise. What happened? What a bunch of Wankers!
Does anybody else feel that the final episode was something of an anticlimax? The thing that this series has consistently done has been to surprise me. There were no surprises at all in the last episode. I was disappointed, I guess I expected a little more.
Ah well. Superb television though and full credit to the writers, actors et al.
Pretty sure the tapes were labeled with names. As for them being admissible as evidence, that doesn’t matter - the question was if it would lead police to other crimes/people they didn’t know about. The tapes don’t have to be admissible evidence for the cops to start investigations based on what they learn from them.
This was a one shot deal for a single season of ten episodes. There are no other episodes/seasons planned or likely. Just think of it as a ~10 hour movie.
There is LOTS and LOTS of good TV these days, more so than *ever *before. Lots of very good stuff on basic cable, lots of very good stuff on premium/pay cable channels, and now even good original stuff coming out of Netflix, with other “new media” sources such as Amazon and Hulu looking to get in the same game.
“TV once had such wonderful promise?” WTF? The amount of good to great concurrently running series is at an all time high! (But yeah, start another thread if you really want me and others to tell you how wrong we think you are.)
It didn’t have “surprises” per se – we knew/hoped that Malvo would be killed, but up to the last minute, my wife and I didn’t know whether Lester would escape entirely, be jailed, or be killed. And there were some twists, even if not surprises, such as the bear-trap (which had been foreshadowed, Malvo talked about a bear caught in a trap that ate its own leg off, and we had seen Lester with the trap, but it certainly wasn’t expected in the bedroom!) or the ease with which Malvo cancelled the FBI back-up.
There may not have been surprises, but there was certainly tension/suspense. Weren’t you worried when Gus seemed to be taking on Malvo alone, sneaking around the house? The earlier surprises set us up for such scenes, because we thought there was a real possibility that Malvo would kill Gus.
I think the resolution for the main characters (Molly, Bill, Gus, Malvo, Lester) was very satisfactory.
Yes, there were lots of them – including we never learned what happened to Chaz (assume he got out of jail, but what about his wife learning the accusations were are a frame-up?), the strange African kid story, etc. I think it’s brilliant that there are so many loose ends. Most shows have everything neatly wound up, so it’s sort of a riff on standard TV/movies to throw in all sorts of stuff that never gets resolved.
Did you not see that I stated the tapes were labelled with names? You said, “Pretty sure the tapes were labeled with names.” And you were correct! But I had already said that in my post. So, I’m guessing you either didn’t read it or you didn’t understand it.
But I think it would be great if you started another thread. I’m not sure exactly what you have in mind. So, why don’t you start it and then I can take a look at it?
As for the tapes being admissible, what do you think would happen at trial when the lawyers for the defense ask how the police managed to find the defendant?
I had a problem with the way Gus killed Malvo. When Gus saw Malvo instead of notifying the police and letting them know where Malvo had been staying, and that he was on the move, he went and hid in the house. Then when Malvo returns and is unarmed, sitting in a chair with a broken leg, Gus jumps out and shoots him. I can only assume that the official police report altered the events to prevent Gus from being charged with…something. I actually thought Gus was going to put a gun in Malvo’s hand after he killed him to at least make it look like Malvo was armed. Later, Gus says he received a commendation for his actions. For what? “Minnesota Vigilante of the Month”?
It is certainly understandable that you would feel that way. I will not try to defend Gus’ actions. In truth, he really did commit some terrible crimes when he shot Malvo.
Some people might suggest that Malvo was such a badass that if Gus didn’t put his lights out right way, the odds that Malvo could have somehow gotten the drop on Gus were very high. I think many people could make the point that they wouldn’t want to have given Malvo an inch.
Do you remember the references to James Bond in the Goldfinger (and other) movies? There was a lot of talk about how when one person gets another one cornered, he often begins to talk and talk and talk and then, the other person manages to get the drop on them and kill them.
Remember the scene from the finale of Game of Thrones? That was a perfect example. The good guy had The Mountain on the ground and had his spear stuck in him. But then he said something like, “Oh no. You cannot die yet. First you must confess to how you killed my wife. You raped her. You killed her children.” And then he removed his spear from The Mountain. Big mistake? Probably.
Remember what happened while he was talking? The Mountain upended him and crushed his skull (killing him).
So, when Gus got the drop on Malvo, I think many people would say that he should have finished him off immediately and never given him any chance to kill Gus. But he failed to do that.
As between Gus and Malvo, I’m not going to say who is right and who is wrong. If it is a question of morality or of law, then I guess it was wrong for Gus to just kill him outright like that.
But, should Gus have given Malvo a chance to kill him? I certainly can’t fault Gus for doing what he did.
Maybe someone should start a poll? I wish I knew how to do that.