Well, there you have it, wring. I do not like you. I do not like your opinion. I flat out do not care about you. I am also firmly convinced that you value stupidity over everything else and that’s why you hold yourself in such high regard. Seems to me we’ve had this convo before.
perhaps, but fortunately, there’s others who’s opinion I do hold highly that disagree.
Oh, but DO PLEASE continue having it – it’s SO INTERESTING for the rest of us, who otherwise would have a perfectly fine and unhijacked thread to read.
Mods, is it kosher to post, “Let’s you and him not fight”?
Daniel
sorry Daniel
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Yep. I took the chicken. I switched the drink. I refused to serve stuff from the kitchen that I found too disgusting.
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Ah - I wasn’t talking about these occurrences. I was talking about nasty stuff happening to food in restaurants, how I had seen it happen, and how I had never done it. Monty took a great flying leap and accused me of being complacent in the face of food tampering. He has accused me of it before in previous threads. He has never once bothered to ask if I took any action, he has instead said that if I didn’t take the action that HE felt was appropriate, then I was just as bad as the food tamperers. I happen to disagree.
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Yes, you did miss something. You missed the part where your (or Monty’s) approval means a great steaming wad of diddly to me. I have no guilt about what I did then nor do I feel badly now. Were I in the EXACT SAME SITUATION now, I would behave in the same manner. As I’ve said before - you’re third party opinion, while interesting, means absolutely nothing to the situation as it occurred. Now, I’ve also said that I’ll never work in the food industry again - I won’t, so the same situation won’t occur. However, that being said, I still did right. I rescued tampered food when I could, and I quit in protest. These are the things I could do. The Board of Health was well aware of the nastiness going on - me phoning and making unsubstantiated claims would have been useless - and the claims would have been unsubstantiated - many of my fellow employees engaged in this gross behaviour - with the knowledge of the manager and district manager, and many of them thought it was just fine.
I did what I could.
The board of health closed the restaraunt after I left.
[quote**From a slightly outside point, it appears that, despite your stance against such behavior, that you are flinging poo. Please correct me if I’m wrong. **[/QUOTE]
I may be flinging poo. However, if I am, it’s because I’m sick and tired of Monty poking his big fat head into threads, rife with moral indignation, and accusing people of all sorts of nasty shit without once asking for clarification.
You know what, if someone posts something you find questionable, you ask about it. You don’t start accusing them of shit and pooh-poohing any possible explanation they give.
It’s rude. It’s obnoxious. It’s jerkish.
Yep, alice. You’re definitley a bitch.
Hey, alice, you bitch! Here’s what started this with YOUR FALSE INDIGNATION!
You then hemmed and hawed when I offered up suggestions to your request for same.
So, you bitch, you got what you asked for and have accused me of doing what you’ve done when I, in fact, did not do that!
Truth hurts, doesn’t it sweetheart?
Keep talking Monty. You’re doing really well.
Hey, alice, you bitch! Here’s what started this with YOUR FALSE INDIGNATION!
You then hemmed and hawed when I offered up suggestions to your request for same.
So, you bitch, you got what you asked for and have accused me of doing what you’ve done when I, in fact, did not do that!
Yikes! I think that one dented my poo shield. Good thing I have a back up…
“A big steaming wad of diddly”? Goodness. There’s no need to be that way; there really isn’t. And, I didn’t say that my opinion (I prefer “observation”; I feel it more accurate, as I really do care about this matter) meant something in the name of the situation. Would the same observation, had by someone more qualified, matter in this case were it for any proof? Probably. Please be aware of this. As far as your claims being useless, how would they be so since, as you say, the Board of Health knew what was going on? And, who thought it was “just fine”? The employees or the Board of Health?
Why wouldn’t the poster take the time and explain such a situation that is open to such interpretation? It does seem that you are exposing facts that, while they may be true, are presented a bit late. I feel that one ought to interpret themselves accurately when the opportunity presents itself, which is often upon saying the very thing that may raise questions as to the situation involving such facts.
Monty didn’t know that you took such measures to avoid a customer coming in contact with altered food (as did anyone else in this thread, for that matter). I personally sympathize with his stance; you didn’t give any other information besides “yes, I saw this; it happens, lemme tell you” (not a verbatim quote), and, while I am not well-versed in common law, I see no immediate need to dispute his initial claim that you were, in fact, an accomplice upon not taking any measures as far as giving the Board of Health more reason to correct such reprehensible matters.
One more thing—you say that you won’t work in foodservice again; I hope you don’t, honestly, though such hope may be pie-in-the-sky as far as any sort of economic situation such as the one in which we live currently. However, assuming you are able to stay out of foodservice in general, how is any other occupation involving customer service and a taintable/alterable-in-the-employee’s-interest product (such as grocery, PC repair, otherwise retail) different in that you’ll be able to control yourself (or take a stand otherwise)?
Now that explains a thing or two. As someone who was unaware of any previous discussions on the subject, it appeared to me that Monty kept changing the direction of his rant in this thread. Carry on.
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Because I wasn’t interested in discussing the crap I’ve seen and the stands I’ve taken and the nasty food I’ve rescued?
Look - Audrey said food tampering doesn’t happen. I said it does because I’ve seen it. Monty then makes the assumption that I must be an accomplice to the crime because I didn’t specifically say that I wasn’t. That’s stupid.
It’s like if I say “Wow! I just saw someone rob a bank!” Do you assume that I drove the getaway car? Or do you say “Gosh - what happened next?” Personally, I do the latter. It’s called giving people the benefit of the doubt.
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Yadda, yadda, yadda. I wasn’t interested in tooting my own horn as “ALICE defender of cranky customers everywhere! Saviour of tampered food! Protector of the bitchy.” I was just letting Audrey know that food tampering happens. End of discussion. Period. Finito. Had I wanted to trumpet myself as ADOCCE,SOFT,POTB I would have started a thread.
Well I guess he should have asked then, rather than accusing me.
Please see my previous comment on giving people the benefit of the doubt. Accusing people of stuff is obnoxious, and a good way to get yourself compared to a bonobo.
Dude - where have I said I can’t control myself? I can control myself just fine. I took action in the aforementioned instance. I take action now.
And finally, let me sum up by saying:
I’m through justifying my actions then or now to either you or Monty. I’m not a child. I’m not a little girl who has to be show the correct way to act in a particular situation, and frankly, I find your patronizing, condescending tone to be rather grating. If you don’t like what I did? Fine. But I’m through discussing it with either of you. Monty because he doesn’t believe me anyway, and you because you’re a condescending twit. Any further atempts on your part to discuss this issue with me will result in me refering to you as some sort of monkey. You’ve been warned.
Thanks for playing.
Think of me what you will. I’m sure I haven’t been misinterpreted by others.
I do ask that you consider a bit more deeply the points that I have brought up, whether or not they apply to this particular situation.
Joe, I gotta say, as one of the others, I’m inclined to agree with Alice on this one. You and Monty both REALLY jumped the gun; when she clarified, rather than giving a sheepish apology, both of you stood up, beat your chests, and began hooting any louder. You owe her an apology, not an aggressive display.
My only problem with Alice is that she keeps disparaging bonobos, which are really quite remarkable animals. Baboons are the lowbrows of the primate kingdom.
Daniel
Little correction to my last post. I think it would be more apt to say that it looked like Monty had trouble making up his mind what his rant was about.
Thanks for the feedback, Daniel.
I did post this earlier, however:
But, the way I see it, Monty wasn’t merely addressing alice (who is somewhat excused really, IMHO, thanks to both her overall maturity at the time and her repentance, as well as other minor factors), but to anyone else who may have willfully ignored such poor behavior as altering food. **I recognize that alice’s overall situation was an unfortuante hodge-podge of events that combined just right at the wrong time. She ought have been a bit more communicative to the proper channels (it is unfortunate that she did not do so), but this is a time for collecting the scattered feathers, not comtemplating how loftily and freely they flew. I’m sure she knows better today, and we would do well to concentrate on this in regards to prevention of further wrong-doing on the part of food-handlers.
I feel that she is helping now, however, as she is bringing this hazardous situation more into the light. This will certainly educate those who believe such a situation as food-altering does not exist, although I must say that I am further comforted by reports to the contrary.**
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I’m NOT beating my chest and hooting, as you put it. I freely apologize to alice for any bad feeling I project to her: alice, I’m sorry. I’m sure you’re not like this today.
When I address the lack of more action against food-defacing, I only use her past actions as an example that others today follow to the letter without any remorse.
While Monty is acting rather aggressively (as is alice, however in turn), I find it hard to disagree with his general stance. I’m thoroughly against food-defacing and the condoning of such.
And, quite honestly, I’m offended by alice’s accusations that I have a patronizing, condesending tone, as well as her snide, tagged-on remarks (however humorous they may be in a certain context) that do little to maintain a professional tone and otherwise further matters.
Anyway, I’m not out to get alice. I started this thread with the intent of further exposing this shameful practice of altering food with malicious intent.
Oh, bullshit, alice. I fucking did ask you first. Excuse the fuck out of me for putting it in the same damn posting. Next time I’ll remember that you don’t have the mental prowess to process a logical statement.
alice: care to post links?