Fatal attack at LGBTQ nightclub in Colorado springs, 20 Nov 2022

We sleep safely at night because rough men are ready to do violence on our behalf.

You are right that we shouldn’t need them, but we train them for a reason.

I think you are very right that the murderer wanted to “go out in a blaze of glory” and be remembered forever as the man who saved Denver from the drag queens who were grooming all the childrens of the world. Now he gets to spend the rest of his life remembering getting his ass kicked by a bunch of queer lovers.

As to the Giffords shooting, responsible gun owners train as well and one of the big lessons we learn is to not shoot until you are sure of your target and the backdrop.

Here’s a link to the brewery run by Thomas Fierro’s wife. You can’t order the beer online from what I can see, but they do have merchandise.

And trans women.

Now another mass hooting, this one in Virginia. I cannot recall such a spate of mass killings. Perhaps it is holiday stress.

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A big problem with today’s gun culture in the US is that training is NOT required. Too many people walking around with too many guns who haven’t a clue what they’re doing. It’s all about “rights” and nothing about responsibility for those chuckleheads.

I’m a huge proponent of firearms training, and I agree there are too many gunowners who lack it. But training shouldn’t be required, IMO, just highly encouraged. Training should never be required as a prerequisite for exercising a right, else it ceases to be a right. But this is not GD, so that’s all I’ll say about that.

I hear and understand your position, but no right is unlimited. As you say, this is not Great Debates so I will end here.

Assumedly you meant Colorado Springs?

Fyi, if you want to talk about that one, there’s a thread here

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https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/23/us/colorado-springs-club-q-shooting-wednesday/index.html

Formal charges can be expected within about 10 days

Ahead of the hearing, attorneys for Aldrich submitted a court filing stating the suspect identifies as non-binary.

“They use they-them pronouns, and for the purposes of all formal filings, will be addressed as Mx. Aldrich,” the court document noted.

Seems like a quick recovery for someone who’s been repeatedly pistol-whipped and stomped/kicked.

As to identity and pronouns, a) we’ll see what collateral reports and internet presence tell us; b) it’s stll a hate crime if you kill others in your minority group.

I can’t respond properly to this without going political, so I will have to satisfy myself with saying this is a smug and blandly self-satisfied suggestion.

I couldn’t summarize this if I tried. Wow. Just … Wow [NSFW - LANGUAGE AND REFERENCES TO PORNOGRAPHY]:

Porn-Star Dad of LGBT Club Massacre Suspect Spews Homophobia in First Interview (yahoo.com)

I can’t help but wonder if they are trolling. Mass murder being strong evidence of bad faith IMHO. But on the bright side, it’s a chance to demonstrate to bigots just how easy it is to refer to someone as they prefer.

Oh, and I do hope they enjoy prison.

You learn that your son was at a gay nightclub, and are relieved when you find out it wasn’t because he is gay, but because he is a mass murderer.

That’s pretty messed up.

OTOH, knowing your father would / did hate you to your core if he knew what you are would have to have been a pretty corrosive coming of age experience for the kid.

I wonder how much the kid was filled with self-loathing versus filled with father-loathing versus generic gay-loathing.

One thing’s for sure, there is a lot of hate in one compact spot at his home address. We may not have the Hater-in-Chief from that address in custody. Yet.

I just … well … I like the cut of this guy’s jib (first 2m37s):

Let’s call it NSFW - Language

A Mormon porn star? Life imitates South Park!

That’s insane. You have to wonder what kind of environment the shooter grew up in.

In this case, he probably knew all his victims, because he was a manager!