I need to get out more, apparently.
On the instinct to “hunt women” I disagree that it was influenced by feminism. Growing up in an ex-patriot Dutch community in Canada well before feminism arose to the forefront I noticed that there was a hell of a lot more respect for women in that regard than in the general Canadian population.
On the lack of instinct to “protect women”, and I assume you mean from asshole men, I’ll agree that feminism has something to do with it, but that has happened here in Canada as well IMHO.
Wusses? Hardly. I’d suggest your attitude towards young men of say America has been influenced by too many American movies.
I’m a father of two daughters, one who is happily married and the other, 17, who has a great boyfriend I seriously like.
When I was dating, I was scum. Not proud of it. But I can recognize scum very quickly, call it scumdar, and I see lots of young men who treat young women with respect so I don’t need to start from the position that all men are scum.
The most important thing a father can do is to raise their daughters to be independant and respect themselves. Then they are able to weed their scum dates out for themselves.
I’m still not clear on the definition of “scum.” Is that just anyone who wants to have sex without benefit of marriage with your daughter? And when you say daughters should “respect themselves”, does that mean they can have an active sex life if they’re responsible for their own birth control?
I meant it to be lighthearted. I mean, seriously, this ME we’re talking about.
What the fuck is this doing in the Pit now?
You raise some very good points, here. In fact, I’d like to see some fathers answer these questions.
Look, every father KNOWS that teenage boys are horny animals who’d say or do ANYTHING to get laid because every father WAS a teenage horny animal who’d have said or done anything to have gotten laid.
Your society is much older than ours–you’ve had more time to become civilized. I have some hope that the U.S. will eventually advance socially to the level that the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark and some other countries are at already. It is sad, however, how many Americans take stupid pride in our archaic and harmful ideas of sexual and gender relations and look down on men in the more advanced nations as “pussies”.
Oh well… U.S.A. #1 !!! WOOH! WOOH! WOOH! WOOH!
I agree with you. Though I also agree with Maastricht, dutch guys lack the whole “female as prey” thing. Dutch women also appear to me to lack it also so possibly they don’t miss it. They do complain that their men are not romatic enough, it must be said, but if you won’t act like proper prey then you cannot get the bait it seems to me.
Seriously, I don’t know what that dynamic is, I lack entree into that world I am afraid, being a respectable old matron these days. But the fellows in brabant anyway are about as feminist as…something not at all feminist.
My own impression is that these attitudes predate the feminist movement, though – certainly the role of mother is quite firmly entrenched here (though wife is rather optional).
Exactly right. See Maastricht’s post (the one I quoted in my last post) about the differences between the Netherlands and the USA when it comes to paranoia (USA) or the relative lack thereof (NED) concerning sex.
Because of posts like ( not to single out astorian ) :
“Boy are all mad dogs” is a Pit position, not an IMHO position. And not very lighthearted.
Perhaps not. I’ve never been much of a socialite myself. Naturally, neither are the people I know, including the girls I have known. Perhaps these more sexually aggressive girls I’m talking about, then, are more likely to be of the type that is friends with those who “don’t get out much.” 
-FrL-
I thought of posting a long involved screed on people taking things too seriously and needing to get over themselves and perhaps, when tempted to get offended, eat a cup of chocolate ice cream with Oreos crumbs sprinkled on top and chocolate syrup slathered atop that, but I decided instead to eat some yogurt.
What the FUCK is this supposed to mean??? :mad:
Seriously Skald, fuck you! It’s posts like this that make me want to just punch someone in the face until my hand is bleeding and… oooooh, a cupcake!
Becomes instantly beatific and docile
You bastard. You KNOW I can’t have cupcake!
Stupid diabetes. Stupid no-longer-doing-evil-overlord-bit-and-thus-not-able-to-threaten-people-with-hordes-of-rabid-chipmunks.
If it makes you feel better I’m on Weight Watchers, so cupcakes aren’t exactly a staple of my diet either right now.
You can make it up to me by helping me get my 5-seconds-ago-time-viewer-thingie-I-stole-from-“The-Dead-Past” working. I want to get it online before Natalie Portman gets into the shower at
:: checks stalker log ::
1800 Central Standard Time.
Only if I get to borrow it afterwards so I can set it up in the changing room in time for the England rugby team.
I’ll upload you the specs and you can build your own. It’s too heavy to cart around and frankly I don’t find the idea of naked rugby players appealing.
(Though I reserve the right to change my mind in the advent of female rugby teams or the inclusion of Taye Diggs on such a team.)
(Think the thread’s light-hearted enough now, people?)
Because if not - puppies!