Don’t be silly. Free cocaine for the rich.
FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024
In the majority of cases, a judge could rule for either party with a straight face. Cannon is pretty new on the bench, and probably thought this was such a case. It wasn’t. She probably told her clerks to write up an opinion supporting Trump, and they fumbled around the best they could. The 11th Circuit taught her a lesson. Or at least tried to. We will see. I don’t know Cannon, obviously, but I doubt she signed off on an opinion she knew would be reversed. (which might be a greater indictment of her capabilities).
And then it will trickle down to the poor.
How long is cocaine measureable in urine?
We’ll agree to disagree, then.
I think Garland’s fear was that the Eleventh Circuit would select Option Three, to craft an exception in law that would allow former presidents to block investigations if a search warrant is executed. This would be legal precedent, since the situation has never arisen before. Future presidents would be able to rely on this precedent to avoid prosecution if we were ever to find ourselves in a similar situation again. Garland was right to fear that, I believe, given how that court is currently constituted with 6 Trump appointees.
That’s why Garland carved out the classified documents portion of the case to test what the Eleventh would do. He chose a narrow area where he believed even this circuit court would not ignore the implications of shielding a former president from such unlawful behavior – behavior that literally endangered the lives of those working on our behalf in national security roles.
When the Eleventh issued their ruling on this narrow area, they didn’t just grant DOJ’s motion. They sent Garland a love letter. If you read that ruling, you’d see they went to great pains to point out their reasoning – all of which would apply to the entire case. In essence, they invited Garland to appeal the entire case, which he then did.
Twice. That’s why I don’t think she’s redeemable.
No judge I ever worked for would 1) Allow a ruling to be issued which they themselves didn’t fully review; 2) Would keep a clerk who wasn’t willing to confront them if they were arguing for something unlawful; 3) Would ignore the plain language rebuking them in the first ruling on the classified materials; and 4) Issue additional rulings that were obviously going to be reversed on the same bases as the first repudiation.
The judges I worked for were merely state level trial court judges. The ones who were elevated to state appellate levels would have found this sort of naked partisan loyalty abhorrent.
I feel that you’re overthinking it. Following on the principles of Occam’s Razor, and the famous stricture to never attribute to any sort of plan that which is adequately explained by stupidity, I think Cannon’s ruling was simply motivated by bias and stupidity – a pretty deadly combination. Having their ruling declared completely asinine by a higher court, in the strongest possible terms, doesn’t earn a judge either professional prestige or street cred.
Yes. But that’s actually Hanlon’s razor
In a way, yes. Free cocaine for the rich will give them the energy they need to continue their public service role as Job Creators. Only in that way can they make the noble sacrifice of becoming more rich.
And if the U.S. doesn’t give them free cocaine, they’ll have no choice but to go to a country that does.
There’s an “and” in there. Two different principles – Occam’s Razor, and Hanlon’s Razor. I’m saying that both apply here.
Damn, Sorry I missed the “and”
While I’m glad (as I think are all) to see that the ‘No’ was firm, quick (for legal rulings) and comprehensive, I still (as I’ve said in many, many other threads) feel that such frivolous lawsuits are damaging our judicial system and country as a whole.
The fact that so few of Trump and Co’s lawyers are getting any sort of investigations, or discipline (it’s not zero, but considering the number of the ones that have been filed…) means that this sort of lawfare will further become the norm. And while the vast majority of courts have been unwilling to entertain them, Cannon proves that numbers is also not zero.
Nothing new here of course, but I would have been much happier if there had been new/additional requests for further censure of the lawyers supporting this tripe.
I would guess the fact that Cannon accepted their reasoning (twice!) (even if thoroughly knocked down on appeal) would give the filing lawyers enough cover to prevent censure.
I thought that was Donald Jessica Trump?
You are correct!
I know some judges are biased. I didn’t think that many were just plain stupid, and I have trouble imagining a judge that wouldn’t take extra precautions with a case of this magnitude that would almost certainly be closely examined on the appeal that was sure to happen.
Perhaps my expectations are too high.
The counterpoint to that her future as a judge has been significantly undermined by these rulings. OTOH, if she imagines a future for herself as a legal pundit or talking head on Fox News, her value as such would be premised on her legal opinions having some credibility. Which they don’t, after the rulings were widely panned by the legal community, and twice dismissed in strongly critical terms by the appellate courts. Her only future seems to be that of an unwavering Trumpist, which isn’t much of a future, unless she’s counting on the Orange Peril being re-elected.
You have a very rose-tinted view of the American judicial system. I’m guessing you’re not poor or black or in the South (nor near DC). They were not gambling on Cannon’s stupidity–they knew exactly what they were getting. Calls were made; conversations held so Cannon knew exactly what she was suppose to do. And she did it. That will not be forgotten.
Note: I actually have no experience with the Southern judicial system except from a copious number of Hollywood films depicting its venal nature. But it is a good explanation for the odious longevity of the horrible social milieu that obviously exists throughout the South.
It worked. The GOP and trump needed a delay, and they got it. The 2022 midterms went off without a trumpski indictment. Now trump thinks he is immune to prosecution as he is a declared candidate (but it doesn’t work that way)
… him to be buried in an unmarked grave ala Captain Sternn We can only hope to bury you in secrecy so your grave is not violated.
Since trump will be 98 or so in 2042, and most sincerely dead. 
The hypothetical President Donald Trump Jr will be 64 in 2042.
i always enjoy footnotes, and the ruling does not disappoint. i found footnote 3 both amusing for me, and sadly embarrassing for the trump lawyers.
"3 During discussion of this factor at oral argument, Plaintiff’s counsel noted that the seized items included “golf shirts” and “pictures of Celine Dion.” The government concedes that Plaintiff “may have a property interest in his per- sonal effects.” While Plaintiff may have an interest in these items and others like them, we do not see the need for their immediate return after seizure un- der a presumptively lawful search warrant. USCA11 Case: 22-13005 "
what sort of argument do you make for golf shirts and celebrity photos? the panel’s eyes must have been rolling like mad eye moody’s.
your honour, my client can’t play golf with out his shirts…and ms dion’s pictures are vital to his …what adjective - noun can go there without ickyness.