You should read this. It explains why these positions were conflated under Trump – and solely on the basis of garnering loyalty from his Secret Service people.
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Remember Mr. Ornato’s name. It’s going to come up a lot, particularly relating to January 6th. But I wouldn’t assume he didn’t have a role in making sure Trump knew what went on at Mar-A-Lago when the search and seizure operation was carried out.
So on August 8, DOJ showed up at 10 AM and Trump released a statement at almost 5pm, and your proof that Trump didn’t know DOJ was coming at say 9:30 AM is that Trump wouldn’t have been able to keep his mouth shut.
That’s your argument? And you think that makes sense? Interesting.
Yes, it is.
And yes, it does.
I’d be interested in Lance_Turbo’s line of reasoning that allows him to conclude that, as big an attention whore as the America-hating fuckstick is, he would have been able to restrain himself from announcing it to all and sundry within minutes of being notified.
Because we know for a fact that he sat on it for seven hours, it’s pretty fucking silly to assert that he could not have possibly held out for seven and a half hours, much less mere minutes.
In my haste yesterday I failed to account for Twitter showing me timestamps of Tweets converted to my timezone rather than in the timezone of the Tweeter.
So, DOJ arrives at Mar-a-lago at 10 AM ET.
Trump releases his statement at pretty close to 6:55 PM ET, about 9 hours later.
Here’s a link to a transcript from Ari Melber’s show from August 8, 2022 which airs from 6 - 7 PM ET.
Scroll way to the bottom to see, after the 6:55 PM ET timestamp, Ari say this among the last sentences he says on his show that day.
We have breaking news courtesy of a brand new statement that just crossed from Donald Trump. He asserts in this statement that his home in Mar-a-Lago is “under siege, raided, and occupied by a large group of FBI agents.” This new statement from Donald Trump seems to assert that there is an FBI raid recent or ongoing.
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But a big headline here. NBC News and MSNBC has not yet confirmed, but the former president saying there is a raid at Mar-a-lago.
So Trump sat on saying something publicly about the DOJ visit for at least nine hours.
Why did he choose to say something at that time? Not because he just learned about it, but because the story had broken at 6:36 PM ET.
Here’s Peter Schorsch’s Tweet from 6:36 PM ET.
Schorsch never gets credit for breaking the story, but within minutes that Tweet was being heavily circulated among political reporters big and small, those people were reaching out to everyone in their contact lists who might be able to confirm one of the biggest stories of the year, and plenty of those contacts were people who had a direct line to Trump if not Trumps himself. Someone was going to confirm something, and do so soon, because the number of people hearing about it was increasing exponentially, and someone feeling chatty was going to spill the beans.
So Trump was happy to refrain from saying anything publicly about the search for almost nine hours as long as there was a chance that this story wasn’t going to break. It’s only after it became apparent that this was going public that Trump released his statement. He was trying to get in front of the story with that statement.
It’s quite clear Trump was more than capable about keeping it to himself as long as the story wasn’t out there. We know this because that’s what happened.
Or maybe he just didn’t know until hours later.
… Since they made sure to not go in until the Trumps were away.
Yes but the comments Lance is responding to are… You know what, nevermind. Your logic is sound, @Lance_Turbo. Keep fighting the good fight.
I guess if you ignore tons of publicly available evidence that Trump, Trump’s family, some Trump lawyers, a bunch of Mar-a-lago employees, and who knows who else all knew about the search as it was happening, you could come to the conclusion that Trump didn’t know for something like nine hours.
I don’t know why you’d ignore that, but if you do, your argument almost makes a bit of sense if you squint at it in a dark room.
…That evidence being?
Of course they knew about it as it was happening. The question is if they knew about it before it happened, and I’ve seen no evidence that they did.
Tell that shit to @Atamasama, @Chronos, and @kaylasdad99. I’ve never seen the claim that Trump didn’t know about the search as it was happening anywhere at any time until three posters in this thread advanced this (obviously false) theory.
Former President Donald Trump’s attorney said Trump watched from New York as the FBI searched his Mar-a-Lago home in Florida on Monday…
She added that the cameras were only turned off for a “very short period of time” while agents spoke with lawyers about them being on.
Maybe I missed it. I saw them arguing that Trump wasn’t warned ahead of time.
Show me where I said this. I said if he knew about it ahead of time he would have raised a stink immediately.
I advanced what, now? How clumsy of me. I’m intending merely to endorse the likelihood that the Secret Service did not give advance notice to the America-hating fuckstick.
That I failed to make unambiguous that limitation of my intent is on me. I’ll try to do better in the future.
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And the line of reasoning that Trump would have been able to restrain himself from announcing it to all and sundry within minutes of being notified is that Trump demonstrably restrained himself from announcing it to all and sundry for several hours after being notified.
See my post immediately above yours. As I said: how clumsy of me. I hope I have now been able to eliminate the ambiguity that plagued me from the beginning.
Moderating:
Although I have an opinion on this hijack about if/when Trump knew about the search and seizure at Mar-A-Lago, I’m not going to offer it. Because it would continue the hijack.
Let’s all drop it now, please. It’s not pertinent in any way to what is happening at this point in the investigation. Thanks. Feel free to start a separate thread to debate this issue.