Everybody saw the pictures of boxes stacked in Trump’s bathroom. Should the Democrats publicize them as part of their campaign?
Obviously, the docs are top secret. But a general description of their content is of legitimate public interest, and some of it could be publicized.
For example, Biden or Kamilla could make powerful ad. They could point at a picture of Trump’s boxes, and state publicly: "a document in this box contained a list of locations where America’s nuclear bombs are stored.
“a document in this other box contained the names of our spies who helped us locate Osama Bin Laden, and are still providing important intelligence to protect our troops overseas.”
Then look straight into the camera, and say: " Why did Trump take these documents to his private home and leave them available to our enemies?"
End the broadcast with a banner : “Trump is a traitor!
Vote for the party that defends America, not the man who sells our secrets from his bathroom.”
If Trump gives Kamilla a derogatory nickname , the Democrats can stick Donald with a nickname, too: “traitor Trump”
Trump is going to run a dirty campaign, anyway. Should the Democrats adopt his tactics?
The old theory of “when they go low, we go high” seems so 2016.
I wouldn’t go with Traitor Trump. I’d go with how Trump corrupted the judiciary (e.g., Cannon). As a matter of fact, I’d like the Democrats to trademark “Crooked Donald Trump.”
Arguing about judges is hard to prove, and won’t convince swing voters. Cannon and Kavanaugh are (unfortunately) experienced judges with legitimate careers.
Most people can’t look at a federal judge and think “good” or “bad”. But everybody can see a box of documents in a bathtub and say “bad, bad, bad”.
(with a shoutout to our favorite Beck
I think they should make it an issue, along with all of the other crimes that Donnie has committed, including, but not limited to, those he has been convicted of. The fact the Cannon gave him a walk doesn’t remove the case from the court of public opinion.
Let’s not forget that the documents where umm… ‘stored’ in a bathroom that had a copy machine in it. And a bunch where moved around. Probably to hide them.
Every single one of those documents have to be assumed to be compromised. Who doesn’t have a copy machine in the bathroom?
I do think they should make it an issue. BUT his supporters want a Putin like leader, and just think that this is a good road to that.
I have no idea how this is not THE biggest issue. Yes, Trump has done an incredible amount of horrible shit. But I mean, ffs, we know for a fact he was hoarding classified documents and showing them to uncleared people. Documents that were so sensitive that they are not even allowed to leave special extremely high security facilities designed to house them. He almost certainly sold major national security secrets - including nuclear and vital military secrets - to hostile nations.
Anyone else in the world gets the death penalty for this, even in 2024. This is real-deal sell out your country espionage treason. If anything, the military-worshipping, national security obsessed part of his base should be the ones that are most shocked and angered by this. Even if they don’t care how he raped people or used the country to enrich himself or any of that stuff, they should care about selling military secrets to our enemies. This should be the top of the list of things to attack Trump over, and to be frank I’m not sure why the democratic party and our media are not treating it this way.
Yes they would do that. But we need to save the country here. That’s why. Unfortunately his supporters will make up excuses because that’s what they do.
That case has been by far the most frustrating to me. The Stormy Daniels stuff? Meh. Somehow provoking a riot? Figured it’d be hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. But having a whole ton of documents you know you aren’t supposed to have, keeping them lying around, and refusing to return them? Some schlub would get a talking to and a forced retraining session for accidentally temporarily putting a document on the wrong server. Something like this would be a firing offense and possible prosecution. If whatever horseshoe he keeps up his ass hadn’t sent the case to a wildly incompetent judge this would have been adjudicated by now.
There’s lots of reasons to not like Trump. But I think one of the best arguments that could be made against him is that the man is an actual threat to national security as shown by far more than just this case.
I think such ads should be part of the ad push to audiences of military folks with clearances, or folks with likely connections to the intelligence community. Imply, or say, that Trump’s document theft endangered people. The issue is “inside baseball”, unfortunately. Most people do not have the experience to understand how treasonous this is.
The problem with this approach is that Hillary Clinton cared about purported scandals (even though she was doing what countless other government officials and congresspeople were doing as well). Donald Trump doesn’t care about scandals and they literally don’t affect his popularity for even as long as it takes for the ink to dry on the story. In fact, many of his followers view the scandals and accusations and even his convictions as badges of honor which ‘prove’ that he’s standing up to the ‘Deep State’.
The place to hit Trump is on economics, and specifically how his policies hurt the very people he claims to be helping. People don’t like hearing about financials but it is really the place where Trump’s rhetoric fails to match the reality in a way that actually impacts middle and lower class voters. That, and abortion rights (which is also fundamentally an economic and basic health issue for those who support abortion access) are his weaknesses and he knows it to the extent that he actually understands anything about governance. His voters (and swing voters) don’t give a shit about scandals, or mishandled classified documents, or NATO, or the human trauma of persecuting immigrants, but they sure care about their pocketbooks.
Biden also had some secret documents. Trump has successfully used that as antimatter to cancel out his classified boxes. If the Dems make it a major issue, that gives the right a cudgel to strike back with. Why do that?
Senorbeef’s point is that this is more than a scandal. It very much seems like Trump sold US military secrets. That should be a big deal.
I think the issue isn’t scandal. It’s that the average person doesn’t really understand the importance of this sort of thing anymore. Military secrets are no longer assumed to be valuable, and instead are “things the government is hiding from us.”
You have it on the left who just are not into the military and the way US foreign policy works. And then you have it on the right with all the Deep State conspiracy stuff. There really isn’t a side that’s like “sometimes things need to be kept secret.”
I don’t know how many covert operatives we have in other countries. That’s how it should be.
BUT I bet a lot of people left real, real fast.
Biden having documents was more of an “oops, my bad. Ring, ring, ring. I’ve got these, do you want them?”
Trump denied it and even had a lawyer sign a document that he didn’t have any. Then he moved the documents he had around. The man will do anything for a buck. And to get on the good side of hostile dictators.
I would not turn this issue into an ad campaign. I would turn it into a cause to arrest Trump and hold him without bail until he can be properly tried for espionage.
“Find” some previously unknown piece of evidence that connects an intelligence incident with a document found at Mar-a-Lago. State that Trump is a danger to US security and cannot be allowed to remain at large. Pursue the death penalty.
I’m not talking about continuing the current case (although that should happen, too). I’m talking about locking up Trump based on evidence that he’s a clear and present danger to our security – which should have been done two years ago.
But FFS, I’m so sick of being the team that plays by the rules while the other team plays Calvinball. In what other nation would Trump not have been taken away in handcuffs after Jan. 6? In what other nation would Trump not be facing a death sentence for blatantly compromising our national security?
The fact that he’s not only walking around scot-free but is on his way to regaining the presidency should be triggering the most extreme reactions possible from the people with the power to do so.
