Eventually and time consumingly making its way to our compromised supreme court? Hypothetically, should it come to that.
FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024
D’oh! And i call myself a fan… 
Is there any word on when we can expect a ruling from Cannon, or a hearing from both sides as to why she should rule in their favor? She was Johnny-on-the-spot with her earlier setting of a trial date…
I think she might feel like Frank Drebin behind the plate, after the first pitch has been thrown, with everybody looking at her.
Which is pretty much what is happening.
Does that mean that when she makes her 2nd decision she’ll do a moonwalk, spin around and do the splits?
I think both sides have already briefed the issue. I’ll be surprised if she rules ahead of the hearing date set for the 18th. I expect she’ll rule from the bench.
Yeah, whether she got it right or not. 
Opera star, major league umpire, federal judge. That Enrico Pallazzo can do anything!
We do not want a situation where the DOJ (part of the executive branch of government) can prosecute the president’s chief political rival and prevent him from running. That would be Very Bad.
So then a speedy trial is in the best interest of both the country and justice.
If that were actually happening and there was evidence to show that, it would indeed be Very Bad. But to establish a precedent that you can avoid accountability for serious crimes just by running for president is equally Very Bad.
Trump is not being prosecuted because he is Biden’s rival. He’s being prosecuted because there is a shitload of evidence that he has committed many serious crimes.
Even if Trump is prosecuted and convicted, he still could run for president, correct?
Eugene Debs did.
And if they were going after Trump just because he’s “Biden’s rival”, why aren’t they also drumming up charges against DeSantis, and every other Republican who keeps winning elections?
The fact that it’s only Trump getting this treatment is strong evidence that this really is about the law, and not whatever bullshit the Trump Team is spewing.
I did not say they were. This is an unprecedented situation, and it behooves us all to consider the future when deciding how to proceed in this case.
Aspenglow suggested that somebody under prosecution should not run for president. If you think even a little bit outside the specifics of the current case you will see why that idea is problematic.
Where?
Aspenglow suggested that the excuse that not having time to be prosecuted was not a particularly good excuse in a somewhat snarky manner (by suggesting one could choose to use their time more effectively).
That’s a far cry from suggesting that somebody under prosecution should not run for high office at all.
I think the suggestion wasn’t that someone under prosecution shouldn’t run for president, but rather that someone under protection shouldn’t try to use the excuse that they were too busy running for president to be bothered with a trial. Rather, if you say you only have time for one of those things you should drop the voluntary one (running for office) and attend to the mandatory one (defending yourself in court).
The problem with an unprecedent situation is that you can’t avoid setting a precedent, no matter what you do.
I’m okay with the precedent of charging people with crimes when we have significant evidence of crimes, and letting the courts sort it out. You know, like we do in every other case.
If you’re worried about the effects on the election, then demand that the trials be held as soon as possible. Stop complaining about Trump being held accountable, and start complaining about Trump doing everything he can to drag his feet and delay the trial.
I understand the idea that prosecuting a rival of the POTUS is problematic. But making someone immune from prosecution solely because they are the rival of the POTUS is equally problematic.
So then those concerns cancel each other out. As a result, the only correct course of action is to proceed as if neither were true and judge a case solely on the merits. Is the evidence solid? Would this person be charged if there were no political consequences?
That’s what is being done in this case. They also appointed a special prosecutor from outside of the agency for impartiality.
Just a few thoughts on the trial date. It’s currently set for Aug 2023. It was set by Judge Cannon using a routine mathematical formula (e.g., Speedy Trial = indictment + 70 days) that did not take into consideration the complex nature of the case. The Gov’t filed a motion to delay that Aug 2023 date to Dec 2023 to give everyone more time due to the complex nature of the case.
Now Trump has filed a motion (technically) in response to the Gov’t motion to delay (continue) to Dec 2023, saying he agrees with Gov’t the case is complex and Trump needs more time. Except Trump is asking Judge Cannon to wait until after everyone gets an idea of the framework of this case to even set the trial date. Some of the arguments are complete BS, some are very normal. Here’s the Response/Motion. So everyone agrees more time is needed/delay the trial, but not how much more time.
So now we await the ruling. This is a negotiation by both sides. I don’t think Dec 2023 was realistic and I don’t think the Gov’t did either. But it was a reasonable, and more importantly, first attempt to set this for trial (every new proposed trial date will now anchor from the “reasonable” Dec 2023 Gov’t proposed trial date - it’s already happening and I suspect that’s by design).
I’ve read the Summer of 2024 is most realistic and the Gov’t is fine with that (they’ll “reluctantly” agree). Trump clearly wants something past Nov 2024, or better, Jan 2025, but they don’t want to put firm dates down so they left it open - an eyeroll, but testing the Judge I guess.
Unless Judge Cannon sets something very close to or past Nov 2024, I don’t think it matters too much. We will undoubtedly have a second Motion for Continuance (delay) later and that decision will matter more - assuming Trump is a frontrunner.
With all this said, it would be…unthinkable?..to have Trump as President in total control of the classified documents he is accused of stealing. What a world. That’s the main driver to get this trial done before the election. If this had nothing to do with the election, Summer 2024 only leaves a few months of wiggle room, though.
Am I crazy to think that the primaries are relevant? I would think that the American people would be best served by having this trial concluded before February.